Chinese OS and software ecosystem

I'm not entirely sure how the legalities of Open Source Software works but...

If the Linux Foundation decides to become a tool for American sanctions, what's to stop China from funding a true open source fork based on the latest version of Linux? One that is developed from headquarters in multiple neutral countries to insulate it from interference from governments like China's or America's.

I think in a situation like that, most people who contributed to the Linux Foundation would switch over to the forked version.

MrCrazyBoyRavi said:

Ok Harmony OS Next is released. What’s the end game? What are the other chinese cellphone manufacturers gonna do? Keep using android? Make their own native OS? Or adopt harmony OS in their devices,

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My understanding is that "OpenHarmony" is similar to AOSP in the Android world. Not sure how coupled HarmonyOS apps are coupled to any Huawei web services or if it there is some interface specification that they allow 3rd party vendors to implement so a replacement can be used.

Chinese cellphone manufacturers are basically walking a tightrope as not to get themselves sanction. So we might not see much action till China has sufficient ability to build advance mobile cpu. What we are seeing is possible precursors to hedging against google controlled AOSP/Android as they get more involved with modifying and build new custom modules for their variation of "Android"

THX 1138 said:

I'm not entirely sure how the legalities of Open Source Software works but...

If the Linux Foundation decides to become a tool for American sanctions, what's to stop China from funding a true open source fork based on the latest version of Linux? One that is developed from headquarters in multiple neutral countries to insulate it from interference from governments like China's or America's.

I think in a situation like that, most people who contributed to the Linux Foundation would switch over to the forked version.

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Nothing. As long as the fork remains open source, it's perfectly legal.

Harmony Next Release trailer


30 minutes of the presentation w English subs (i think original was 1-2 hrs)

Huawei Mate 70 should be released soon I guess.

Seems linux is both compromised by US sanctions and the leader's political views. It could be anytime where Chinese developers get kicked off and updates to support/optimize Chinese cpu in the kernel be suspended as well. I guess Huawei forsee this and hence its push for HarmonyOS onto the future pc rather than another linux distro.



Quotes from Linus:

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too."

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No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers.

I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.

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daifo said:

Seems linux is both compromised by US sanctions and the leader's political views. It could be anytime where Chinese developers get kicked off and updates to support/optimize Chinese cpu in the kernel be suspended as well. I guess Huawei forsee this and hence its push for HarmonyOS onto the future pc rather than another linux distro.

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Quotes from Linus:

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But why would anyone assume linux wasn't compromised before the sanctions anyways. Do we really naively believe there aren't ppl on CIA's budget who crafted backdoors in the kernel?

I kind of expected that from Linus. I bet you would hear the opposite from Richard Stallman. The actual founder of the Free Software movement.

Linus is being totally hypocritical and he is pandering to his own biases. Why aren't Israeli or US programmers banned too then? Oh right, Linus is a naturalized US citizen and is paid by US corporations.

coolgod said:

But why would anyone assume linux wasn't compromised before the sanctions anyways. Do we really naively believe there aren't ppl on CIA's budget who crafted backdoors in the kernel?

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Dude, open source literally means the source codes are open to all to see. Anyone can do their own auditing of the source code for backdoors.

gelgoog said:

I kind of expected that from Linus. I bet you would hear the opposite from Richard Stallman. The actual founder of the Free Software movement.

Linus is being totally hypocritical and he is pandering to his own biases. Why aren't Israeli or US programmers banned too then? Oh right, Linus is a naturalized US citizen and is paid by US corporations.

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Ya, Linus is a freaking idiot.