Chinese Internal Politics

broadsword

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The two generals were almost certainly corrupt but I'm not convinced Qin didn't just die or become disabled by disease.

子 is often a suffix used by parents when referring to their children by name, so it's very weird to me that Chinese liberals would set upon it as a derogative term for Xi. He's almost 70 years old it just doesn't work.

It seems Xi coming down hard on corruption rubs off his haters.
 

james smith esq

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Bad news, maybe Li Shangfu really was under investigation.

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Didn't see him in the gala last night.

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China’s Defense Chief Skips First Event Since Graft Reports​

  • Li missed huddle he was expected to attend as state councilor
  • Absence bolsters speculation he’s subject to a graft inquiry
From the faces in that pic, I’d say that China’s armed-forces needs to promote some younger folks into leadership positions. All the jokes about the ‘Muhruhcuhn gerontocracy ring kind’a hollow seeing this!
 

drowingfish

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Bad news, maybe Li Shangfu really was under investigation.

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China’s Defense Chief Skips First Event Since Graft Reports​

  • Li missed huddle he was expected to attend as state councilor
  • Absence bolsters speculation he’s subject to a graft inquiry
why is that bad news? being able to constantly fire senior officials is actually one of the better features of Chinese politics, and by extension soviet politics also. when did the USSR peak and begin to lose its vitality? its the late brezhnev years when no one is held accountable. during the stalin years they were quite good at building industries and winning wars.
 

coolgod

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why is that bad news? being able to constantly fire senior officials is actually one of the better features of Chinese politics, and by extension soviet politics also. when did the USSR peak and begin to lose its vitality? its the late brezhnev years when no one is held accountable. during the stalin years they were quite good at building industries and winning wars.
Removing senior officials due to corruption is good, but removing Li Shangfu now is especially damaging to Chinese image in global stage. Not just cause he's China's defence minister, but because the US can claim "He didn't meet with us because was always under Chinese investigations".
 
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TK3600

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Removing senior officials due to corruption is good, but removing Li Shangfu now is especially damaging to Chinese image in global stage. Not just cause he's China's defence minister, but because the US can claim "He didn't meet with us because was always under Chinese investigations".
Western opinion has zero relevance to Chinese internal politics. They can cry all they want.
 

yungho

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Removing senior officials due to corruption is good, but removing Li Shangfu now is especially damaging to Chinese image in global stage. Not just cause he's China's defence minister, but because the US can claim "He didn't meet with us because was always under Chinese investigations".
The perceived 'damage' on the world stage isn't that important, rather the investigation shows poor judgement from Xi's coalition and/or instability within the party ranks.
 

henrik

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The perceived 'damage' on the world stage isn't that important, rather the investigation shows poor judgement from Xi's coalition and/or instability within the party ranks.

The big guy picked the wrong foreign minister and now this scandal. There are still effects from strict covid policies on the economy.
 
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CMP

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The big guy picked the wrong foreign minister and now this scandal. There are still effects from strict covid policies on the economy.
That's certainly one way to frame this. The other way to frame this is that Western infiltration and corruption of CPC has gone on for so long and ran so deep that there are not many good choices. It will take 30-40 years of cleanup efforts to get completely clean. Right now we're at barely 1 decade after initial clean-up efforts.
 
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