Chinese Internal Politics

MortyandRick

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Here is my interpretation of what went down at the closing of the meeting with Hu. If you look at the few minutes before Hu was escorted out, he was looking at the red book which might contain the names of who gets what. Quite possibly, for the first time, he realized that CYL members were all absent from the standing committee. I am sure the other CYL members somehow got wind of it earlier. Even if Xi spring a surprise at this stage, if Hu had all his faculties, he would know that CYL had just been eased out of power and there is not a thing that he can do. You would not raise questions in such a public forum. You would just keep mum and see if there is anything to be done after.

The conclusion I draw from this sequence of events was that Xi, out of respect for Hu, gave him a seat next to himself. Xi expected Hu to keep his composure when he sees this list. However, Hu, being senile, was not able to keep his composure. Xi cannot tolerate descent. Given that the senility of Hu was probably already known, he made alternate arrangement to escort Hu out in case this happen.

Hu is not playing with his full deck at the meeting.
Or simply Hu had Parkinson's and the dementia hit hard. He was getting more confused and thus was escorted out. Initially he requested to come to the event and out of respect he was given a seat next to Xi. Occam's razor, that's the simplest and most likely scenario.
 

SanWenYu

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Here is my interpretation of what went down at the closing of the meeting with Hu. If you look at the few minutes before Hu was escorted out, he was looking at the red book which might contain the names of who gets what. Quite possibly, for the first time, he realized that CYL members were all absent from the standing committee. I am sure the other CYL members somehow got wind of it earlier. Even if Xi spring a surprise at this stage, if Hu had all his faculties, he would know that CYL had just been eased out of power and there is not a thing that he can do. You would not raise questions in such a public forum. You would just keep mum and see if there is anything to be done after.

The conclusion I draw from this sequence of events was that Xi, out of respect for Hu, gave him a seat next to himself. Xi expected Hu to keep his composure when he sees this list. However, Hu, being senile, was not able to keep his composure. Xi cannot tolerate descent. Given that the senility of Hu was probably already known, he made alternate arrangement to escort Hu out in case this happen.

Hu is not playing with his full deck at the meeting.

Yeah CPC lack the transparency so everyone can speculate but I consider your theory the least possible.

I don't think Hu Chunhua was withdrawn from the 20th Central Committee in the last minute. Xi should have settled all the disputes in backroom deals ahead of time to make sure everything in control. After all the 20th Congress was meant to be a highlight time for Xi. He definitely would not want anyone, Hu Jintao included, to ruin it in front of the world. That'd be a shame for Xi.

Had Hu wanted to protest, he would not have come back to cast his ballot later.
 

4Runner

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I am going to post a number of analysis with differing perspectives on the recently conducted/concluded CPC 20th Party Congress where Gen.Sec Xi Jinping was granted/obtained another 5 year term which makes him the 1st Chinese leader in the current modern CPC structure to break the 10 year term.

This discussion and American analysis is from the Quincy Institute think tank, which advertised itself as a more pragmatic and realist alternative to the caravan of think tanks populated in D.C. who just simply regurgitates China as the ultimate bogeyman.

It's also worth hearing perspectives and insights from these folks to see if their understanding and perceptions align with some or most of the members thinking and take on this forum. Feel free to judge and ascertain the panelists perspectives on China since their discussions revolved around these key issues: the CPC, Hu Jintao scene, Xi Jinping 3rd term, Taiwan issue, Russia-China relationship going forward, Sino-U.S. relationship and the origin and culprit of the breaking down of relationships between the current hegemon (U.S.) vs the incoming hyperpower that's China.

Michael Swaine was a long time China scholar at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He is one of very few China hands that advocated a grand bargain for a long time (> 10 years), which essentially suggest US trade Taiwan for more tangible long-term benefits, since he believes all along that Taiwan is going to be back to China eventually anyway. But in recent years, his view becomes a dwindling minority in the US strategic circle.

Michael Swaine and Christopher Johnson are excellent China hands. I don't have to agree with their view. But their professional research and analysis really won my respect. From this angle, US academia is not as free and open as propaganda portraits. People like Michael Swaine, John Mearsheimer and Noam Chomsky have been squeezed out of cushy jobs.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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Seems like Western media are slowly releasing more videos showing the true events of the Manchester consulate attack and Hu Jintao being brought out, after being pressured by Nathan Rich etc.

Still we have some wanwans trying to put on their creative takes on the newly released full video.

栗战书:“别看了,涛哥。没咱们的人。”
胡锦涛:“一个•••一个都没有?”
栗战书:“一个都没有,连我都下去了。”
胡锦涛:“那克强呢?”
栗战书:“••••••”
胡锦涛:“当初说好的,我全退,他干完之后,交给小胡干,给咱们团派和太子派轮流坐庄。他•••他•••他这不讲武德啊!”
栗战书:“还小胡呢,他连政治局都没进。”
胡锦涛:“什么?”
习近平:“时间差不多了,请涛哥回去吃药。”
胡锦涛:“我•••我就算走也要看一眼名单再走!”
栗战书:“别看了,涛哥。团派完••••••”
王沪宁:“别再说了,再说,是不是你也想去吃药啊!”
栗战书:“••••••”
胡锦涛:“小习啊,这事儿还能再商量商量不?”
习近平:“涛哥都开始说胡话了,还不快请回去吃药!”
胡锦涛:“等等!让我再跟克强说句话••••••”
李克强:“涛哥,别•••别说了,再说,我就该陪您一起吃药了!”
胡锦涛:“••••••”

Xiao Hu here refers to Hu Chunhua


After the full video of the Manchester consulate attack was released, wanwans tried to defend the Hong Kong protestors attack the consulate staff by saying the sign was outside the consulate, as though the small details really matter. Lol.
 

Minm

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Which was a reason why Hu was saying in his outgoing speech that despite his achievements, corruption has not been solved and needs to be the #1 priority of the new government. Xi delivered. Credit where credit is due.
I think Xi's biggest achievement is not actually fighting corruption, although it's related. He gave ideology back to the party. The west will fight to the death for "democracy and freedom" because they truly believe in their ideology. The Soviets collapsed because the party stopped believing in their ideology. With Xi, the communist party has regained its faith in "socialism with Chinese characteristics". If there is a crisis, ideology is all you have to convince yourself that you're still on the right path. If Xi hadn't strengthened Marxism, the party might actually have collapsed during covid and the nation might have fallen.

In many middle Eastern countries ideology is very weak so they overthrow their governments if they have a minor economic crisis.
 

Michaelsinodef

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I think Xi's biggest achievement is not actually fighting corruption, although it's related. He gave ideology back to the party. The west will fight to the death for "democracy and freedom" because they truly believe in their ideology. The Soviets collapsed because the party stopped believing in their ideology. With Xi, the communist party has regained its faith in "socialism with Chinese characteristics". If there is a crisis, ideology is all you have to convince yourself that you're still on the right path. If Xi hadn't strengthened Marxism, the party might actually have collapsed during covid and the nation might have fallen.

In many middle Eastern countries ideology is very weak so they overthrow their governments if they have a minor economic crisis.
Eh, fighting corruption was incredible important though.

Moreover it will/did also in turn strengthen both ideology and trust in the Government, which also makes the government stronger and more confident.

And with more confidence its possible to be more forthcoming with faults and changes, and the government can work together with the people in improving itself.

Basically, fighting corruption was incredibly important and among Xi's biggest achievements.
 
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