Chinese Internal Politics

reservior dogs

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One thing that Xi 100% deserves credit for is crushing corruption. Corruption is a nation destroying disease, ask anyone from a developing country how corrosive corruption can become. For this alone, he deserves and in fact needs 3 terms. Hu tried and failed to control this monster. Jiang, haha. 2 terms is not enough to totally crush corruption. So in this, I am not surprised that Xi got the 3rd term.

It's just the PBSC choices that make me concerned. I would think that you'd crush the corrupts and then make sure that a successor is lined up to secure your legacy and ensure political stability and continuity. After all if you don't, then everything you work for might be for nothing if an unknown successor gets into office.
If you look at the arc of Chinese succession, it was never simply ruling for ten years and letting go. Jiang was basically still in charge during much of Hu's reign. Xi was able to uproot a lot of his influence after one decade of rule. I expect Xi to stay for another five year term(a fourth term) after this and his successor will emerge from the group in the last five year term.
 

Feima

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In any case I predict Singapore will be a very conflicted place to live in in ten to twenty years.

Singaporeans who are pro China will start questioning their Singaporean identity since they are ethnic Chinese.

Singaporeans are who anti China will get very resentful of China's rise, bitter and jealous. Including and maybe especially non Chinese Singaporeans such as Indian Singaporeans and Malay Singaporeans.

It's what you call "culture war".

Personally I think Singaporeans should have a back up country, but that's just my opinion. I feel the culture wars are going to be especially nasty and brutal.

I mean, in neighboring Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines etc, there's so much resentment of ethnic Chinese people living there (because ethnic Chinese in those countries are supposedly overly rich and successful businessmen). Thankfully Singapore is majority Chinese (kicked out of Malaysia in the 1960s for being too Chinese), but yeah the fact that Singapore is majority Chinese could spell trouble for national unity in Singapore in the future.

I mean just look at Hong Kong and Taiwan. There's so much culture wars over Chineseness in those two territories. It hasn't spread to the same extent in Singapore, but I'm sure eventually Singapore will be enveloped in a cauldron of Chinese-questioningness.

Nah. Singapore's main challenge is class contradiction. In addition to 高华, they also have "high Indians" and "high Malays", and of course plenty of "high foreigners", mostly westerners and Indians. Basically, petite bourgeoisie who enjoy a high standard of living provided they don't lose their well-paid jobs. They look down on everyone they consider lower in social hierarchy, and look up to (or at least grudgingly respect) anyone with wealth and power.

Anyways, off topic for this forum, so I'll stop here.
 

Overbom

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and then make sure that a successor is lined up to secure your legacy and ensure political stability and continuity. After all if you don't, then everything you work for might be for nothing if an unknown successor gets into office.
Sounds good in theory. In reality though, naming a successor immediately makes you a lame duck when you try to push reforms.

Push reforms -> internal resistance/bureaucratic resistance -> "Just wait him out" -> nothing gets done.
 

antiterror13

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Isn't this the first market movement since Xi was elected to third term? After last weekend's Party Congress, Western investors worry Xi is 'cementing an iron grip on power' and 'returning to Maoism', hence pulling capital out of the Hong Kong stock exchanges.

Typical.

George Soros and his buddies trying to do a 'Bank of England' on China.

He (Soros) did and got lost very badly .. thats the main reason he hates China
 

Biscuits

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Perhaps China's next war will be more ground-centric than most here expect?

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This is not the era of map painting empires.

China already exerts de facto control over Russia. Russia provides the resources, labor and geopolitical moves when asked. There is no need to create another 100 million Chinese citizens to feed when the feeding is perfectly fine being outsourced to someone loyal. Same reason USA doesn't annex South Korea or Japan.

Whether Russia leaves the war triumphant or weakened, China can draw major benefits. A militarily slimmed down Russia would rely on China for its defense, which means instead of pissing away at pointless and corrupt prestige projects under a western style oligarchy, Russia's best and brightest will work under the Chinese military industrial complex, creating common solutions for 2 nations.

The most China could contemplate to move against Russia is possibly a soft regime change into the communist party. But generally China's policy is that they want to let countries develop socialism at their own pace.
 

Diaspora

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In any case I predict Singapore will be a very conflicted place to live in in ten to twenty years.

Singaporeans who are pro China will start questioning their Singaporean identity since they are ethnic Chinese.

Singaporeans are who anti China will get very resentful of China's rise, bitter and jealous. Including and maybe especially non Chinese Singaporeans such as Indian Singaporeans and Malay Singaporeans.

It's what you call "culture war".

Personally I think Singaporeans should have a back up country, but that's just my opinion. I feel the culture wars are going to be especially nasty and brutal.

I mean, in neighboring Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines etc, there's so much resentment of ethnic Chinese people living there (because ethnic Chinese in those countries are supposedly overly rich and successful businessmen). Thankfully Singapore is majority Chinese (kicked out of Malaysia in the 1960s for being too Chinese), but yeah the fact that Singapore is majority Chinese could spell trouble for national unity in Singapore in the future.

I mean just look at Hong Kong and Taiwan. There's so much culture wars over Chineseness in those two territories. It hasn't spread to the same extent in Singapore, but I'm sure eventually Singapore will be enveloped in a cauldron of Chinese-questioningness.
I am one of those lurkers who try very hard to remain a lurker and never say anything.
But I am a Chinese from the country being talked about.

I'm not a 高华.
Actually I think most people here in my country (deep inside) know that China has vastly surpassed Singapore.

But in this case.
I want to say that :
This forum vastly vastly under appreciates the power of propaganda, culture and institutions like the newspapers and universities.

The original 1st generation who arrived from China 3 or 4 generations ago would have been very close to China. But in our current environment, the news directly copies reuters or news written by western main stream outlets. The university education system is modeled after and interacts with the western university systems. Inevitably, everyone's worldview is shaped by what they read and the reality that is created for them. Most people spend 90% of their time on work, family and a bit of entertainment. No one really has time to try to challenge their world view. They happily accept what the news, what the people who are important in culture etc, tell them.
If the news tells them Ukraine is winning, they happily believe it. If the news tells them that China is bad, they believe it.

That's I believe that Chinese people who go to places like Hongkong and Singapore and feel that the people have bad attitudes, do not have the complete picture. This is what the training of culture does.

The power of science, economy and money is not enough. Western news and culture sources needs to corrected and countered if China wants to be respected.

(How do I delete posts ? I'm want to delete this after a while)
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I am one of those lurkers who try very hard to remain a lurker and never say anything.
But I am a Chinese from the country being talked about.

I'm not a 高华.
Actually I think most people here in my country (deep inside) know that China has vastly surpassed Singapore.

But in this case.
I want to say that :
This forum vastly vastly under appreciates the power of propaganda, culture and institutions like the newspapers and universities.

The original 1st generation who arrived from China 3 or 4 generations ago would have been very close to China. But in our current environment, the news directly copies reuters or news written by western main stream outlets. The university education system is modeled after and interacts with the western university systems. Inevitably, everyone's worldview is shaped by what they read and the reality that is created for them. Most people spend 90% of their time on work, family and a bit of entertainment. No one really has time to try to challenge their world view. They happily accept what the news, what the people who are important in culture etc, tell them.
If the news tells them Ukraine is winning, they happily believe it. If the news tells them that China is bad, they believe it.

That's I believe that Chinese people who go to places like Hongkong and Singapore and feel that the people have bad attitudes, do not have the complete picture. This is what the training of culture does.

The power of science, economy and money is not enough. Western news and culture sources needs to corrected and countered if China wants to be respected.

(How do I delete posts ? I'm want to delete this after a while)
Keep your post; it's a worthwhile read hearing an opinion directly from another Singaporean. It's good to have differing perspective, perceptions on countries like Singapore as well as other ASEAN countries whose fate will be forced upon them by the circumstances and realities of geopolitical tensions between the increasingly aggrieved U.S. and the more assertive, confident China.
 

dasCKD

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Only when Russia has been totally nuclear-disarmed that China would ever consider such possibility of grabbing Siberia and the Russian Far East from Russia.

However, even if China really do want to retribute against Russia for their participation in the Eight-Nation Alliance 122 years ago, there's literally little natural resources and agricultural land that could be offered to China - Apart from expanded land for China to manage, and expanded coastline for China to guard.
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China might as well annex Outer Mongolia and reforest their portion of the Gobi Desert for climate improvement and agriculture, plus fully securing the supply of coal for the next few decades.

Which is why there are so few population centers i.e. cities across most of Siberia and the Russian Far East, simply because there isn't enough aerable land + suitable weather and climate that could sustain permanent living on a large scale.
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Even if further climate change results in those permafrost lands in Siberia and Russian Far East to become suitable for agriculture again, how long should China wait till then?

Apart from, say, Khabarovsk and Vladivostok regions plus Sakhalin Islands that historically do belong to China's Qing Dynasty before being forcefully ceeded to Russia, I don't see how China taking over Siberia and the Russian Far East would be benificial to China's cause and interests.
If China seriously wanted Russian land, they'll be far better off just buying it off them. The ending of this war will leave Russia in a relatively insecure position, and so if a land buyback was to be secured then the PRC can probably get the best price to do it right at that point. It's a far better proposition than a land invasion anyways, since even assuming a PLA victory and successful annexation and assuming nukes don't get used, the PRC will be down a lot of money and lives and Russia will be down even more. Negotiating a sale would mean that Russia will get the money it'll probably need to boost its post-war economy and China can get that land risk-free. The money that's 'lost' would otherwise have been lost anyways, and this wouldn't risk causing antagonism between the two countries.

Beyond that though, the Russian land there has plenty of other potential use. If a negotiation is successful, it means China can put more PLARF sites and PLAAF airfields that could more comprehensively threaten any Japanese/Japan-based American airfields across the country. It also means that China can start putting submarines in the arctic. Whilst China's current generation of nuclear submarines are advancing, they still likely lag considerably behind American inventory and have to be launched from within the infamously submarine-hostile first island chain. Having arctic submarine bases ensures that China has a much more credible second-strike capability and also would disincentivize American politicians or military leaders from trying anything stupid if the war doesn't go their way.

Taiwan could potentially provide this as well, but who really knows when the PRC would be able to start building military bases there? Breaking out into the arctic provides the PRC plenty of geopolitical lattitude, not to mention the fact that it'll also mean that China would have broken far outside of the first island chain and further reduce Japanese and even American willingness to interfere in a potential armed reunification, since any attempts at military containment of China in the first island chain would have comprehensively failed by then.
 
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