Chinese Internal Politics

4Runner

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China is prepared for the worst.
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Xi's greatest achievement so far is the PLA reform. He has been preparing since the second 古田会议 in 2014. Now all senior generals are new breed brought up on his watch. I think there will not be an all-out war, because odds are getting worse on the other side year by year. The fallout would be mostly in global trade.
 

supersnoop

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Bro I have nothing against women BUT seeing the collective west Female leaders I'm glad China didn't follow the trend, just look at Liz Truss, the Finnish PM Sanna Marin, the Baltic Chihuahua Ingrida Šimonytė and Kaja Kallas, the Italian PM Giorgia Meloni, the former PM of Sweden Magdalena Andersson's and of course US VP Kamala Harris. With such qualities NO wonder the Chinese said NO!

Surprised you didn't mention Hilary!
Western political culture breeds this kind of creature. Modern democracy is basically a popularity contest. Looking past gender for a moment, would you want Biden, Trump, or Trudeau in charge of China?

The Chinese pursued meritocracy for more than several thousand years, so not a single role is wasted. You might want to go to a re-education camp because that Western token culture is clearly stuck in your head ;)

As mentioned above, I think the lack of women probably stems from timing. About 20 years ago, it was rare to see women in the PLA outside of "parade-dolls". Now we are seeing front line combat duties for women like pilots, paratroopers (which is the most physically demanding of infantry roles), navy crew. I have no doubts there will be women who have earned their place in the next 20 years.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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As mentioned above, I think the lack of women probably stems from timing. About 20 years ago, it was rare to see women in the PLA outside of "parade-dolls". Now we are seeing front line combat duties for women like pilots, paratroopers (which is the most physically demanding of infantry roles), navy crew. I have no doubts there will be women who have earned their place in the next 20 years.
Agreed. Many of the older generations (1950’s-1960’s and even the 70’s) of women lacked the opportunity and time to go for these type of roles due to the agrarian and semi industrialized nature of the Chinese society. However as China become more industrialized and richer, an average woman will have more opportunities than previous ones to prove that they are competent and don’t require pity points like Westerners do to go up.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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which is weird, considering plan, plarf and plaaf would have a sizeable role in AR
no xi guys in those branches?
That's the problem right there. If Xi wants only his people then he has to give up a bunch of people more qualified but not necessarily exactly within his circle. Otherwise he has to deal with people outside his faction. The real shockwave is that meritocracy is no longer important, and opens the door for very very bad things to happen in the long term. The only other explanation is that ground force heavy means an internally focused PLA.

Having Xi in place for 3 terms may have been an emergency situation but now we're seeing complete breakdown of internal norms. When Xi leaves office, at best we'll see a Stalin-Khruschev transition, at worst, a Brezhnev-Gorbachev one.
 

SanWenYu

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CMC is too ground force heavy this time. there are now 0 air officers and only 1 naval officer whose only been navy for 8 years and has no naval command experience, only political work.
Are you thinking that Xi is favoring the ground force now? I believe it's just coincident. Xi had Xu Qiliang as the vice chair of CMC for the last 10 years. Xu is from PLAAF. He is just too old (born in 1950) for the job.

Also regarding the presence of women at the top level, I would say it is about the same so far. We will need to see the new State Council to draw the conclusion. I counted 10 women in the 19th Central Committee, 1 in the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection, and 1 in the politburo. There are now 10 women in the 20th Central Committee, 4 in the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (including a vice secretary), only missing the in the politburo.


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Minm

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That's the problem right there. If Xi wants only his people then he has to give up a bunch of people more qualified but not necessarily exactly within his circle. Otherwise he has to deal with people outside his faction. The real shockwave is that meritocracy is no longer important, and opens the door for very very bad things to happen in the long term. The only other explanation is that ground force heavy means an internally focused PLA.

Having Xi in place for 3 terms may have been an emergency situation but now we're seeing complete breakdown of internal norms. When Xi leaves office, at best we'll see a Stalin-Khruschev transition, at worst, a Brezhnev-Gorbachev one.
China is not the Soviet Union. Maybe a Blair-Brown transition is a better model. Or Kohl-Schröder. Many countries have had long serving, powerful leaders and they were fine after. I don't think meritocracy is dead and it's good that so many technocrats are being promoted
 

Biscuits

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That's the problem right there. If Xi wants only his people then he has to give up a bunch of people more qualified but not necessarily exactly within his circle. Otherwise he has to deal with people outside his faction. The real shockwave is that meritocracy is no longer important, and opens the door for very very bad things to happen in the long term. The only other explanation is that ground force heavy means an internally focused PLA.

Having Xi in place for 3 terms may have been an emergency situation but now we're seeing complete breakdown of internal norms. When Xi leaves office, at best we'll see a Stalin-Khruschev transition, at worst, a Brezhnev-Gorbachev one.
As far as I know, the joint operation procedures between all 3 branches should already be very strong. In an actual war, Army operations would take front and center with other branches serving to support the ground force advance/defense anyways.

Putting focus on ground force make sense when China is facing a threat of invasion. If the country is mobilized, then the ground force will be the branch that absorbs most of the new recruitment. That means they need better institutions, more attention and more funding, so they can during an emergency absorb more troops.

Besides the contingency of an American incursion in the East, China must also not rule out the chance of an apocalyptic sized ground war in Europe, if NATO decides to counter invade Russia and the Donbass.

And in the event of an US invasion, not only Taiwan Island needs ground force attention, but if SK and Japan doesn't throw off the local occupying US forces, it is tactically expedient for China to counter invade SK and Japan.

China already sits on a very well equipped ground force, with extra attention and funding, this force could be able to both deter NATO in Europe and threaten Asian US puppets with liberation if they participate in any illegal wars launched by their overlord.
 

SanWenYu

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We can now talk about some similarities between the PRC and 西汉. This is not a serious and scientific comparison, just some anecdotes for fun. Some of the comparisons are certainly exaggerated for the fun factor.

This is for those who can read Chinese and are somewhat familiar with the Chinese history.

西汉共和国
楚汉之争国共内战
杀韩信、彭越、英布等异姓诸侯王文革
吕氏篡权四人帮
周勃、陈平灭吕华、汪、叶逮捕四人帮
七国之乱周、薄、令
文景之治江、胡时代经济高速增长
与匈奴和亲、互市“夫妻论”、“贸易压舱石”
推恩令中央与地方博弈
盐铁酒官营改革开放 (1)
均输、平准反垄断
凿空西域一带一路
八校尉军改
独尊儒术团派失势

(1) 盐铁酒官营 and 改革开放 actually went the opposite directions. They are comparable IMO because both are major reforms to the existing economic systems of the time.
 
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