Chinese Hypersonic Developments (HGVs/HCMs)

AssassinsMace

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The US claims the Houthis are using ASBMs. The US calls them ASBMs to make the Chinese think they don’t work thus abandon them so they won’t be used against the US Navy. The US could be outright lying in any of the details. Same goes for the Zircon. Spin is what the West does.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
The US claims the Houthis are using ASBMs. The US calls them ASBMs to make the Chinese think they don’t work thus abandon them so they won’t be used against the US Navy. The US could be outright lying in any of the details. Same goes for the Zircon. Spin is what the West does.
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Houthis do have access to regular ballastic missile. Can't see why they can't fire them at oil ships.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
The US claims the Houthis are using ASBMs. The US calls them ASBMs to make the Chinese think they don’t work thus abandon them so they won’t be used against the US Navy. The US could be outright lying in any of the details. Same goes for the Zircon. Spin is what the West does.
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Technically is the US incorrect? They are ballistic and they are anti-ship. Just without MARV. My Ginsu knives are kitchen knives too.
 
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ougoah said:
I don't have access to info but you are right on the leak doc on DF-27 saying test flight rather than deployment. That takes away from my point on disclosing timeline.

As for DF-ZF. Neither side ever directly credited any announced or observed flights to DF-ZF in particular. There are many hypersonic programs (not all of them missiles) in China. The DF-ZF in my understanding is simply what the DF-17 is or rather became.

Speculations on timelines aside, what's your take on DF-100 propulsion? The claimed Zircon interception photos. The relation between those three (DF-100, Hyfly, Zircon) wrt their similar inlet design and overall size (assuming Zircon photos from Ukraine are showing Zircon or Russian equivalent of Hyfly).
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I don't know. Not much is written about df-100 in literature or think tank publications. Maybe it is not as widely deployed as df-17? Might me ramjet or scramjet. But likely a ramjet at mach 5.
About the Zircon, I think the missile crashed. I doubt the Russians have as good guidance and navigation as required.
 
Wrought

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AssassinsMace said:
Everything goes up and then down is a ballistic trajectory. The Hamas rockets are all ballistic too. The Houthi "ASBMs" has a lower apex thus slower speed coming down. The Chinese ASBMs are travelling down at Mach speeds coming down. Harder to intercept.
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You are reading way too much into a generic name.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
You mean like the US reads it...
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The US reading is objective and correct in this case. There is no technical reason whatsoever to say the munitions used by Houthis are not ASBMs. You can, with justification, say they are low-quality ASBMs, obsolete ASBMs, ineffective ASBMs, whatever you want. But they are ballistic missiles targeting ships and so by definition they are ASBMs. Calling them that is a simple observation of fact, not some kind of twisted manipulation. It is no more controversial than calling an AK-47 a rifle. That's just what it is.

China is not the only country to deploy ASBMs. The idea that English-language reporting is somehow designed to affect Chinese-language audiences is not credible in any way.
 
AssassinsMace

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Wrought said:
China is not the only country to deploy ASBMs. The idea that English-language reporting is somehow designed to affect Chinese-language audiences is not credible in any way.
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Certainly not the US since they were skeptical China could develop one that worked because they failed at it. It's like stealth. The US said it was hard to defeat. Then China up with a stealth fighter and all of the sudden stealth was easy to defeat.
 
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