Chinese Geopolitics

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broadsword

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Pollution from heavy industries, dominated by SOEs.

Other countries too paid the price of progress.

Calculating by per capita, China's pollution is still below the US.
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In UK, the Great Smog of 1952 that claimed some 4,000 lives.

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Early 19th century London.

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This was Pittsburgh

Water pollution in early Chicago
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Blackstone

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Other countries too paid the price of progress.

Calculating by per capita, China's pollution is still below the US...

True, but that was then and this is now. I don't have a dog in this fight, it's the Chinese public that are up in arms on their diminished quality of life.
 

broadsword

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True, but that was then and this is now. I don't have a dog in this fight, it's the Chinese public that are up in arms on their diminished quality of life.

The Chinese are going through what the West did, so there is no need to make it a bone of contention.
 

broadsword

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True, but that's probably due to the plutocrats helping SOEs, because they have their hands in those cookie jars. Nevertheless, Huawei (reportedly a private firm) is doing very well indeed.

You are concerned with the plutocracy in China. Guess what, according to
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China is behind the US, the UK, India, the Philippines, Singapore, etc, in plutocracy. To rank behind Singapore and Malaysia is not a surprise at all, even though they are democratic countries.
 

Blackstone

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You are concerned with the plutocracy in China. Guess what, according to
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China is behind the US, the UK, India, the Philippines, Singapore, etc, in plutocracy. To rank behind Singapore and Malaysia is not a surprise at all, even though they are democratic countries.

I like The Economist, and read it regularly. However, one must ask oneself these questions:

1) Shouldn't Hong Kong be part of China's statistics? I mean, it's part of China, is't it?
2) Wouldn't China have higher "corny-captialism" rankings, if most of its rich actually stayed in China?
3) Wouldn't China's index be worse if some of its students-turned-billionaires actually returned to China?
4) If 3 is true, then US index would fall a bit. Yes?
 

broadsword

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I like The Economist, and read it regularly. However, one must ask oneself these questions:

1) Shouldn't Hong Kong be part of China's statistics? I mean, it's part of China, is't it?
2) Wouldn't China have higher "corny-captialism" rankings, if most of its rich actually stayed in China?
3) Wouldn't China's index be worse if some of its students-turned-billionaires actually returned to China?
4) If 3 is true, then US index would fall a bit. Yes?

Hong Kong is government differently, with their own Parliament. Very much the same as before the handover. I don't think Wang Qishan's arm extend to Hong Kong. As for 2) and 3), I believe the Economist factored in all available relevant data, because it's all about "connections".

I give credit to the Economist. It is magazine I go to for surveys and statistics, but not for political analysis.
 

texx1

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I like The Economist, and read it regularly. However, one must ask oneself these questions:

1) Shouldn't Hong Kong be part of China's statistics? I mean, it's part of China, is't it?
2) Wouldn't China have higher "corny-captialism" rankings, if most of its rich actually stayed in China?
3) Wouldn't China's index be worse if some of its students-turned-billionaires actually returned to China?
4) If 3 is true, then US index would fall a bit. Yes?

1)To include Hong Kong as part of China's statistics, one has to be consistent. You can't cherry-pick Hong Kong's inclusion only when it suits your view.

2)I think the economist's corny-capitalism rankings is based on citizenships of the wealthy, not their current residence. Many US plutocrats reside in offshore tax havens like Virgin islands

3)Again it's the issue of citizenship. If you are referring to oversea Chinese students with wealthy parents, their wealth belong to their parents which means they don't have an effect on the statistics. And only a small portion of Chinese international students are children of Chinese plutocrats. Most of them are just children of regular upper middle class people wanting a better education.
 
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port_08

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China as a growing power, how can China help in the middle east peace process? War strife there will breed a lot hatred among the groups and these will filter into terrorism activities that will threaten everyone.

Should China abstained or assist in the process? Syria, afghanistan, Iraq, all used to be playground of US military. I hope US don't pivot to Asia as wherenever pivot there possible war and increase tension. As precaution China should beef up their security and remain the security provider to maintain regional peace. A weaken state cause strife and chaos, look at Iraq when security broken into shreds..all the ethnic, tribal at each other throats. In hindsight, Saddam maybe a better option at least he still holds the country together.

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Wu, was quoted this week as saying that the Middle East was providing a good place for terrorists to ply their craft. He said Muslim extremists were flocking to Syria and Iraq from all over the world including the United States, Canada, Europe, other Islamic countries and, yes, China. Fighters returning from the conflict were swept up in radical ideology and posed security risks for the counties to which they return.
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Meanwhile US lead peace process is not going anywhere while civilian casualties are high...hatred and anger breed discontent and fuel of terrorism in Israel Gaza war.

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The Obama administration pushed back strongly Monday at a torrent of Israeli criticism over Secretary of State John Kerry's latest bid to secure a cease-fire with Hamas, accusing some in Israel of launching a "misinformation campaign" against the top American diplomat.

"It's simply not the way partners and allies treat each other," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.
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port_08

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A comprehensive national and military power will guarantee security in East Asia though some nations may be uncomfortable with the Chinese military power. It depend how the power are being use for benign or hegemonic ambition.
 
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