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Not really sure what is going on here... but maybe part 1 is telling some background stories to LOCH?


New Jin Yong Wuxia Universe part.1: The Legend of the Condor Heroes 2023
part 1: Duel on Mount Hua
part 2: Eastern Heretic and Western Venom
part 3: Southern Emperor and Northern Beggar
part 4: Nine Yin True Sutra
part 5: Hot Blooded
Genre: Wuxia
Chinese Title: 新金庸武侠世界
Network: Tencent WeTV
Total episodes: 60
Starring: Alex Zhou Yiwei, Vengo Gao Weiguang, Meng Ziyi, Peter He Rundong, Ming Dao, Ci Sha, Bao Shangen, Huang Yi, Calvin Yu

daifo said:

Not really sure what is going on here... but maybe part 1 is telling some background stories to LOCH?

New Jin Yong Wuxia Universe part.1: The Legend of the Condor Heroes 2023
part 1: Duel on Mount Hua
part 2: Eastern Heretic and Western Venom
part 3: Southern Emperor and Northern Beggar
part 4: Nine Yin True Sutra
part 5: Hot Blooded
Genre: Wuxia
Chinese Title: 新金庸武侠世界
Network: Tencent WeTV
Total episodes: 60
Starring: Alex Zhou Yiwei, Vengo Gao Weiguang, Meng Ziyi, Peter He Rundong, Ming Dao, Ci Sha, Bao Shangen, Huang Yi, Calvin Yu

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Wuxia is my favorite genre, but I can't stand modern Wuxia shows due to the shitty fight choreographies. All wire-fu and pointless spinning.

solarz said:

Wuxia is my favorite genre, but I can't stand modern Wuxia shows due to the shitty fight choreographies. All wire-fu and pointless spinning.

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Yup, somehow china lost all its fight choreography talent as well as actors who can actually fight. Hollywood, hell even some smaller markets like thailand and phillipines, have eclipsed them for at least a decade now for fight scenes.

PeoplesPoster said:

Yup, somehow china lost all its fight choreography talent as well as actors who can actually fight. Hollywood, hell even some smaller markets like thailand and phillipines, have eclipsed them for at least a decade now for fight scenes.

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Most of them went to game development or donghuas. Which is great since I personally like those more but damn do I miss good fights in Wuxia shows. It just so day and night when compared side by side.

PeoplesPoster said:

Yup, somehow china lost all its fight choreography talent as well as actors who can actually fight. Hollywood, hell even some smaller markets like thailand and phillipines, have eclipsed them for at least a decade now for fight scenes.

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Aniah said:

Most of them went to game development or donghuas. Which is great since I personally like those more but damn do I miss good fights in Wuxia shows. It just so day and night when compared side by side.

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There are still plenty of wushu talents, the problem is with the goddamn industry. After Crouching Tiger, it's like all the film makers think only wire-fu and limp-wristed idols can sell Wuxia movies.

That said, 知竹 is the exception to my above rant. She makes some excellent wuxia fight scenes:

I was looking into some cloud gaming services and that got me wondering. Does China have any PC game streaming services like Nvidia's GeForce Now? They definitely have the internet to do it.

Not Chinese entertainment per se, but Warrior's third season is out. If y'all don't know what it is, Bruce Lee envisioned a story about the Tong Wars in 1880s San Francisco but of course never got it made due to the racism at the time. Today his daughter finally got it produced and it started out on Cinemax. As you can guess from that studio, it is for sure a pulpy show and its got its flaws. But it is passionate and committed to Bruce Lee's vision, plus for what its worth as it kept getting renewed the budget got bigger and show kept improving. 3 episodes are out and it is continuing to step up in terms of writing, production values, and above all else the action. If anything, considering Cinemax sold its properties to HBO Max, the show getting a 3rd Season was a miracle in of itself.

As a martial art drama, the fighting scene sucks. I doubt this is what Bruce Lee's envision of Tong wars. Although, the story talked about the first generation Chinese immigrants, characters acted more like second/third generation Chinese that have little connection with China or Chinese thinking.

The show is no different from any American shows that emphasized on sex and violence. It is just a bunch of Chinese and Asians acting like White Americans except fighting with martial art and living in Chinatown.

KYli said:

As a martial art drama, the fighting scene sucks.

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I would say that's definately true in the 1st Season with respect to Andrew Koji. He does know martial arts, but he's noticeably more clumsy compared to the other more professional actors, especially Joe Taslim. But I would say he does improve and by the 3rd Season's 1st episode, he's now pretty much on par with the professional actors. Hard disagree though about the show's action scenes in general sucking, since I think they're some of the best on TV.

KYli said:

characters acted more like second/third generation Chinese that have little connection with China or Chinese thinking.

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Well, if the pilot episode where the protagonist knocks out 3 immigration officials and isn't immediately lynched followed by half of SF's Chinatown rounded up as retaliation doesn't indicate clearly enough, its more of a pulpy martial arts fantasy rather than a strict period piece. But thematically its supposed to be about Americans with Asian faces, which all Asian American media deals with.

PeoplesPoster said:

Yup, somehow china lost all its fight choreography talent as well as actors who can actually fight. Hollywood, hell even some smaller markets like thailand and phillipines, have eclipsed them for at least a decade now for fight scenes.

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The fight talent is there, for example most people agree that the bathroom fight in Mission Impossible: Fallout was the best fight scene in the series and the man behind that was China born Liang Yang, who's still in his early 40s.

I looked at his credits and its mostly Hollywood. He'd be a valuable addition to the Mainland Chinese stunt industry, but alas still too much politics and for all we rag about how shitty Wuxia fight scenes are nowadays, as long as Mainlanders continue consuming them, studios will churn them out in that style.