Chinese-European transport helo project

tphuang

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more on the Mi-171E contract that China signed with Russia
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2 Sep, 10

Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant, JSC, (UUAP), being a part of a “Russian Helicopters” helicopter industry holding company commenced training of the Customer’s flight and maintenance staff in the plant’s Aviation Training Center. The training is conducted under contract for delivery of Mi-171E helicopters to China.

The training program provides theoretical and practical courses in UUAP Aviation Training Center and the flight simulator training in Omsk Flight Technical College of civil aviation. When the training is over the Customer’s specialists will receive the certificates and licenses permitting operation and maintenance of Mi-171E helicopters.

The contract for delivery of Mi-171E civil helicopters in transport configuration to China was signed in December, 2009. The helicopters will be used for transportation including missions in highland areas. The contract deliveries are planned to be started in October, 2010.
So, as you can see, the contract was signed in Dec 2009 and will start delivery in October 2010. Not bad for turn around. As mentioned in Kanwa, this is for 30 Mi-171 and will be sold as civilian helicopters and then get military fitting once in PLA.
 

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I was under the impression that China is still under the arm embargoment from US. It is really surprising that US would allow anyone to teach China how to assemble their S-76... Which also bring out this question:

1) Is China given a license to build this type of helicopter.
2) If China is given a license to build, then are they allow to use full domestic parts, or US supplied kits?
3) or the assemblying is just part of the process to maintain the helicopters (I believe China have a few of them in their inventory).
 

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I wonder how long it will take them to roll out a dedicated military version of the Z-15. It'll certainly be a boost compared to the current naval Z-9's, and with forthcoming/rumoured carriers and LHAs' there is an even greater need for helicopters now than before.
 

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I was under the impression that China is still under the arm embargoment from US. It is really surprising that US would allow anyone to teach China how to assemble their S-76... Which also bring out this question:

1) Is China given a license to build this type of helicopter.
2) If China is given a license to build, then are they allow to use full domestic parts, or US supplied kits?
3) or the assemblying is just part of the process to maintain the helicopters (I believe China have a few of them in their inventory).

well, S-76 is civilian, that's why they are allowing it. It's also one of those classes that China can already build right now, so there really is no reason to militarize it. I believe they have the license to assemble and built some parts for this helicopter.
 
How about the Z-15? To me, it reminds and looks like a Black Hawk to me. This makes me wonder if the Z-15 has similar capabilities and performances as one of a Black Hawk, and whether the PLA may utilize the Z-15 like how the US uses the UH-60.

In addition, I think China should start its own Little Bird project and Special Operations flying group dedicated specifically for the SOFs like the Nightstalkers for the US SOCOM
 

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I wonder how long it will take them to roll out a dedicated military version of the Z-15. It'll certainly be a boost compared to the current naval Z-9's, and with forthcoming/rumoured carriers and LHAs' there is an even greater need for helicopters now than before.

I'm glad you asked the question, as I've been wondering about the opposite: what exactly are they going to do with Z15?

As we know Z15 is but a 7 ton class helo, too big/expensive for training or reconnaissance, yet with rather limited payload for transportation or ASW missions. It seems heavier helos are gaining popularity these days, when you look at NH-90, EH-101 or S-92, all being adapted to perform a wider range of roles across armed services besides forming the backbone of the transportation force. Even PLAN has chosen Kamov+Z8 combo to upgrade its shipborne ASW and AEW force. It would be even less likely to deploy Z15 on a future LHD or Carrier except for transporting VIP passengers.

In summary PLA is requiring more heavy lifting capacity, and PLAN needing their helo platforms carrying more equipments plus staying airborne longer, and PLA Marine Corps (in future?) also needs something bigger & tougher than Z15 to ferry men and equipments around the beachhead.

Of course Chinese paramilitary might be a potential customer of Z-15 if they can afford such luxury.
 

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I'm glad you asked the question, as I've been wondering about the opposite: what exactly are they going to do with Z15?

As we know Z15 is but a 7 ton class helo, too big/expensive for training or reconnaissance, yet with rather limited payload for transportation or ASW missions. It seems heavier helos are gaining popularity these days, when you look at NH-90, EH-101 or S-92, all being adapted to perform a wider range of roles across armed services besides forming the backbone of the transportation force. Even PLAN has chosen Kamov+Z8 combo to upgrade its shipborne ASW and AEW force. It would be even less likely to deploy Z15 on a future LHD or Carrier except for transporting VIP passengers.

In summary PLA is requiring more heavy lifting capacity, and PLAN needing their helo platforms carrying more equipments plus staying airborne longer, and PLA Marine Corps (in future?) also needs something bigger & tougher than Z15 to ferry men and equipments around the beachhead.

Of course Chinese paramilitary might be a potential customer of Z-15 if they can afford such luxury.

Z-15s as ASW choppers would work well on ships like frigates, so larger choppers can work on larger ships like destroyers or LHDs.
 

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as mentioned here, 3rd Mi-26 delivered to China. I wonder why they don't just order like 8 and get it over with. It's clear that they have a requirement for Mi-26 until the domestic heavy helo project completes.
ROSTOV ON DON, October 14 (Itar-Tass) - A Mi-26TS helicopter has taken off from the testing airfield of the Rostvertol helicopter manufacturing plant, heading for China.

An official in the press service of the enterprise told Itar-Tass on Thursday that the helicopter, which is notable for the world's highest carrying capacity, was purchased by the Chinese Lectern Aviation Supplies Company, which signed a respective contract with Rostvertol in March this year. At the customer's request, the contract has been filled three months earlier than planned.

This is already a third Mi-26TS helicopter, sold by the Russian company to the People's Republic of China (PRC). The Chinese side is planning to acquire yet another helicopter of this class, the Rostvertol official said.

The merits of Russian heavy-duty helicopters were appreciated in China at the time of devastating earthquake in May 2008. Due to the Mi-26TS capabilities, Chinese engineers and rescuers managed to avert a dam burst that would have been fraught with ruinous consequences. These air vehicles were also used in China to fight forest fires, and during rescue operations at one of coalmines in a difficult-of-access area.

Eduard Miroshnichenko, Rostvertol marketing director for export-oriented output, pointed out, "The delivery of the third Mi-26TS helicopter to the PRC is an indisputable confirmation of the attractiveness of this unique air vehicle to the market of China and a reaffirmation of the striving of Chinese helicopter operating companies to enlarge the fleet of heavy helicopters, the relevance and operating efficiency of which have been proved repeatedly".

The Mi-26T is a custombuilt helicopter capable of transporting up to 20 tonnes of payload as internal or external store. The use of a broad spectrum of additional equipment makes it possible quickly to convert the basic model into firefighting, refueling, ambulance or troop-carrying versions. The latter ensures the transportation of 60 stretcher patients accompanied by three medical workers or the delivery of 82 paratroopers (rescuers) with standard armament to a designated area. In case of emergency, the helicopter can take up to 200 people on board.

The Mi-26T successfully operate in India, Greece, and Venezuela. They are often leased by foreign countries and international organizations for use in various operations and humanitarian missions.

Mi-26T helicopters were used in Canada in the conduct of prospecting and drilling operations at oilfields, in Portugal, France, and Greece in operations to combat forest fires, and in African countries in peacekeeping operations under UN aegis.
 
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