Chinese Engine Development

ougoah

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Isn't it true that pulse detonation engines are inferior to continuous detonation engines like the rotating detonation engine and oblique detonation engine that China has test flown many times in the past. PDE was just a stepping stone as a study in the detonation engine tech branch.

In addition to these propulsion methods which are suitable for higher speeds, combined cycle engines is another field where China looks like it has a lead in since it's flight tested more than the US. The US announces exotic engine and experimental craft tests if history is any indication. China and US both have closely guarded black budget programs so it is difficult to imagine that the US certainly has any advantage in combined cycle engines. I wouldn't be surprised if the combined cycle engines test flown by China that was revealed in recent years are not much more dated than offered, where the technology has made its way to becoming more integrated with various atmospheric and space related programs.

While credible leaks suggest that the CAC's 6th gen will eventually be variable cycle engine powered rather than combined cycle or having the third engine be some detonation engine or scramjet, this does not preclude the many other Chinese programs which may be making use of these other propulsion methods.
 

siegecrossbow

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Isn't it true that pulse detonation engines are inferior to continuous detonation engines like the rotating detonation engine and oblique detonation engine that China has test flown many times in the past. PDE was just a stepping stone as a study in the detonation engine tech branch.

In addition to these propulsion methods which are suitable for higher speeds, combined cycle engines is another field where China looks like it has a lead in since it's flight tested more than the US. The US announces exotic engine and experimental craft tests if history is any indication. China and US both have closely guarded black budget programs so it is difficult to imagine that the US certainly has any advantage in combined cycle engines. I wouldn't be surprised if the combined cycle engines test flown by China that was revealed in recent years are not much more dated than offered, where the technology has made its way to becoming more integrated with various atmospheric and space related programs.

While credible leaks suggest that the CAC's 6th gen will eventually be variable cycle engine powered rather than combined cycle or having the third engine be some detonation engine or scramjet, this does not preclude the many other Chinese programs which may be making use of these other propulsion methods.

It can’t be detonation engine or scram jet since they don’t generate enough electrical power.
 

ficker22

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It can’t be detonation engine or scram jet since they don’t generate enough electrical power.
Wasn't there a paper where basically just the combustor is replaced by RDE, but the rest remains like a gas turbine? So more efficient fuel burning + benefit of Turbine for eletricity.

Something along this line but from a chinese paper


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ougoah

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It can’t be detonation engine or scram jet since they don’t generate enough electrical power.

Yep. Yet another reason the CAC 6th gen aircraft is unlikely to use a detonation engine as the third engine. All three engines are probably intended to be inducted with variable cycle turbofan engines. However, Chinese detonation engines would be used for other programs including reusable craft.

Detonation engines are also great for long range missiles/payload delivering "suicide drones".

I'm currently inclined to think that China's SSTO and TSTO related projects are using combined cycle engines and all the detonation engine test flights in recent years indicate a desire to incorporate the next generation of hypersonic cruise missiles with detonation engines instead of scramjets.
 

latenlazy

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Electrical power generation in an aircraft doesn't necessarily need a generator with a physical(mechanical) coupling to the main engines. Bypass air from an hypothetical ram/scram jet can be used to spin up a
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or even a dedicated APU to generate electrical power
Yes but you’re probably not getting the same power as direct feed into the thermally energized air flow.
 
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