Chinese Engine Development

BoraTas

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A procurement announcement from 606 Institute on a trial produced/engineering sample of a geared turbofan drive system. The winner is AVIC Harbin.

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I believe there is a possibility that they would be more aggressive with introducing new concepts to make up for the difference in conventional specs. Variable pitch fan, gearbox, three-spool setup, reheater, intercooler, recuperator, etc...

Here is a study on this matter from China. It is about a three spool turbofan with an intercooler and recuperator. At least the academia is studying these.
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tphuang

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just keep in mind that GTF itself seems like the path to take for next generation engine. But it's a system that Pratt spent 30 years working on and still fucked up in the delivery process, so don't be discouraged if it takes sometime to get ready.
 

taxiya

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More on the above tender announcement. Posted by @Captain小潇 on Weibo.

Key major parts in the tender include:
1. Transmission shaft
2. Y-shaped dual intake for single engine
3. Clutch
4. Lift fan

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Following photos are quoted to save space. Posted by the same guy per above.
I don't see anything special of this tender that is indictive to STOVL engine. Actually "contra-rotating fan" alone strongly suggests againt a F-135 style of engine, nor it has anything to do with WS-15. On the contrary it is an engine in early conceptual study and there is nothing similar in operation by any country in the world.
  1. Clutch. Turboshaft engine has it too.
  2. Contra rotation fan. There was a study of contra rotating fan based turbine engine. The paper is from 2014. It was discussed in this forum. The paper used a turboshaft engine as an example.1729700888248.png
  3. Y shaped air inlet duct. Single engine helicopter also has Y duct.
  4. drive shaft. Every turbo based engine has it.
 

sunnymaxi

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just keep in mind that GTF itself seems like the path to take for next generation engine. But it's a system that Pratt spent 30 years working on and still fucked up in the delivery process, so don't be discouraged if it takes sometime to get ready.
PW1000G and Rolls Royce UltraFan have GTF configuration.. CJ-2000 has GTF configuration too ?? nobody knows but maybe they have changed their mind and took this path due to advancement in Materials and manufacturing process.

i don't know much about technicality of GTF but i have read. weight of GTF engines are the major issue. with the advancement of material science and manufacturing process this weight problem can be solve. imo

in March this year, AECC announced CJ-2000 Engine on their official Weibo account. that was indeed a surprise. from public bidding announcement to AECC post. the first official engineering prototype has been completed and first run of the machine completed too.
 

mohidahmed94

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PW1000G and Rolls Royce UltraFan have GTF configuration.. CJ-2000 has GTF configuration too ?? nobody knows but maybe they have changed their mind and took this path due to advancement in Materials and manufacturing process.

i don't know much about technicality of GTF but i have read. weight of GTF engines are the major issue. with the advancement of material science and manufacturing process this weight problem can be solve. imo

in March this year, AECC announced CJ-2000 Engine on their official Weibo account. that was indeed a surprise. from public bidding announcement to AECC post. the first official engineering prototype has been completed and first run of the machine completed too.
GTF engines are supposed to be lighter. Why? Because if you can reduce the fan speed via gear box, you can reduce the number of LP turbine stages. As a matter of fact, PW1100g is around 300 Kg lighter than the Leap 1A, despite having a bigger fan and having a gear box. Why? Because the Leap has 7 stage LP turbine while the Pratt has only a 3 stage LP turbine.
 

by78

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A data sheet on a test bench for a certain large high-bypass turbofan being developed by Shenyang Aeroengine Research Institute. The test bench can accommodate a max thrust of 450kN and a reverse thrust of 150kN. Weight requirements are 10 tons (without thrust reverser) or 12 tons (with reverser).

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sunnymaxi

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A data sheet on a test bench for a certain large high-bypass turbofan being developed by Shenyang Aeroengine Research Institute. The test bench can accommodate a max thrust of 450kN and a reverse thrust of 150kN. Weight requirements are 10 tons (without thrust reverser) or 12 tons (with reverser).

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The 103rd Anniversary of the Founding of the CPC, AECC celebrate with this amazing poster on their official Weibo account.

but the interesting thing is, this Engine has 19 fan blades. no current high bypass Engine project in China has 19 blades..

WS-20/AEF-1300 have 22 fan blades

CJ-1000/CJ-2000 have 18 fan blades
 

BoraTas

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The 103rd Anniversary of the Founding of the CPC, AECC celebrate with this amazing poster on their official Weibo account.

but the interesting thing is, this Engine has 19 fan blades. no current high bypass Engine project in China has 19 blades..

WS-20/AEF-1300 have 22 fan blades

CJ-1000/CJ-2000 have 18 fan blades

I would not read much into such illustrations much but it is reasonable to expect a CJ-3000. They are working on the C939 after all. Such an aircraft will require an engine around 430-450 kN.
 

pevade

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The 103rd Anniversary of the Founding of the CPC, AECC celebrate with this amazing poster on their official Weibo account.

but the interesting thing is, this Engine has 19 fan blades. no current high bypass Engine project in China has 19 blades..

WS-20/AEF-1300 have 22 fan blades

CJ-1000/CJ-2000 have 18 fan blades
The engine appears to also feature carbon fibre blades.
 
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