Chinese Engine Development

FirebirdFan

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Regarding the F119 flat nozzles, it’s a fully convergent-divergent design with variable throat area and the long exhaust petals for the divergent section also give it a higher expansion than most round nozzles. The F-22 nozzles are very good in performance, their main issue is that they’re very heavy, and the rear fuselage also needs to be built more heavily to handle the vectoring loads, part of why the F-35 didn’t go that route and went with a round nozzle.


The F119 nozzles cool the exhaust faster since it flattens the plume to increase cooling surface area. Also, the wedge shape of the flaps help it mix with cooling air better too, similar to the effect of a round nozzle with chevrons which has a noticeable benefit for IR signature. It’s not as much as the B-2 style exhaust trench, but it’s still a noticeable improvement. Again the issue with the F119 flat nozzle isn’t the performance, but the large weight and maintenance requirements.

The WS-15 looks like it’s going the F135 route of round nozzle with chevrons, which again will have noticeable benefit for IR signature.

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by78

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Am I reading this right? Does this mean CJ-2000 is a
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? If so, this is the first I've heard of it, or am I hopelessly uninformed about the project?

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Harbin Guanghan Transmission Co., Ltd. successfully completed the test task of fan-driven gearbox for large aircraft​

Recently, Harbin Guanghan Transmission Co., Ltd. successfully completed the test task of the first domestically produced fan drive gearbox for the Chinese commercial engine CJ2000 project.

The fan drive gearbox has the characteristics of large transmission power (20MW), high operating speed (9000rpm), and high power density. It is an important equipment for the new generation of aero-engine power system. Since taking over the task, the company's leaders have scientifically planned, actively deployed, and established a special team. Within only one week, they have determined the loader plan for the mechanical power closed system, and made overall plans to achieve success at one time, which has been highly recognized by users.

Reviewing the whole process of project implementation, the project team members have gained a lot. First, innovation is the internal driving force of technological development. The 20MW mechanical power closed test bench uses the infinitely variable speed loading method for the first time, which breaks through the application limit of the existing loader and effectively guarantees the smooth completion of the project. The second is to continuously broaden the field of knowledge. Enrich knowledge, improve technical level, and continuously accumulate for the improvement of innovation. The third is to boost the determination and confidence of the team to be brave in innovation. It is very important for R&D personnel to make breakthroughs in the field of new technologies and apply innovative achievements. With the application of more new technologies, the company's innovation ability will surely reach a new level.

A procurement announcement from 606 Institute on a trial produced/engineering sample of a geared turbofan drive system. The winner is AVIC Harbin.

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ACuriousPLAFan

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China might about to have her own STOVL engine with a shaft-driven lift fan (SDLF), i.e. akin to the F135-PW-600.

It should be noted that I did not suggest that China would develop a counterpart of the F-35B (though the probability shouldn't be discounted). If anything, the most likely flyable object to come out of this in the coming years would be a technology demonstrator prototype/platform.

Posted by @rational314159 on Twitter.

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sunnymaxi

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China might about to have her own STOVL engine with a shaft-driven lift fan (SDLF), i.e. akin to the F135-PW-600.

It should be noted that I did not suggest that China would develop a counterpart of the F-35B (though the probability shouldn't be discounted). If anything, the most likely flyable object to come out of this in the coming years would be a technology demonstrator prototype/platform.

Posted by @rational314159 on Twitter.

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even if Shenyang/Chengdu don't purse any STOVL project in future but this kind of development i really like. axial lift fan is a very technological complex component and WS-15 is now available so F135-600 equivalent would be a huge boost to China's turbofan industry for future projects. this is indeed a huge news.
 

taxiya

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China might about to have her own STOVL engine with a shaft-driven lift fan (SDLF), i.e. akin to the F135-PW-600.

It should be noted that I did not suggest that China would develop a counterpart of the F-35B (though the probability shouldn't be discounted). If anything, the most likely flyable object to come out of this in the coming years would be a technology demonstrator prototype/platform.

Posted by @rational314159 on Twitter.

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It is from an article from 2014
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. 2014 is about the time when suggestions and arguements of whether China should have STOVL, so this twitter post is like recycling.

I would think that all these activities are like excersizing, studying and learning by researchers, like student in colledge doing homeworks, anything materialistic (if ever) from these studies are just for that purpose.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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It is from an article from 2014
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. 2014 is about the time when suggestions and arguements of whether China should have STOVL, so this twitter post is like recycling.

I would think that all these activities are like excersizing, studying and learning by researchers, like student in colledge doing homeworks, anything materialistic (if ever) from these studies are just for that purpose.

@rational314159 on Twitter did mention 下图仅供参考 (the following picture is meant for reference only) in his post.

Seems to be the case of technological exploration and reserve (技术储备). Though, I won't exclude other possibilities.

Speaking of which - @伏尔戈星图 on Weibo mentioned "after 9 years of project establishment, the SVTOL engine (testbed/prototype?) will be built this year". Of course, huge caveats apply with this guy.

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siegecrossbow

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Seems to be the case (技术储备). Though, I won't exclude other possibilities.

Speaking of which - @伏尔戈星图 on Weibo mentioned "after 9 years of project establishment, the SVTOL engine (testbed/prototype?) will be built this year".

Of course, caveats apply with this guy.

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Dude literally censored someone from his Weibo for challenging his ability at addition, so major caveat indeed.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Dude literally censored someone from his Weibo for challenging his ability at addition, so major caveat indeed.

He's a real a$$h0le for sure. A hard-headed one too.

But I think that particular Weibo post of his is based on this tender announcement by AECC Shenyang. Though, again, I'm not in favor of developing a brand new SVTOL manned fighter jet.

Posted by @勤劳朴实罗素历 on Weibo.

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