Chinese Engine Development

tanino

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what is the current status of Izdelinye 30? last time i heard, service induction can start in 2026-27.

full scale development begun in 2011. considering Russia has ecosystem and decades of experience with turbofan, progress is relatively slow.
Good question...the problem today is that the whole colauded information ecosystem that revolves around the military technical sector in Russia as we know is not very manageable...so I don´t know maybe Garry or Markus know something about it.
 

gelgoog

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what is the current status of Izdelinye 30? last time i heard, service induction can start in 2026-27.

full scale development begun in 2011. considering Russia has ecosystem and decades of experience with turbofan, progress is relatively slow.
It typically takes a decade to develop a new engine. At best it can take half a decade, but in that case you are likely reusing technology. For example designing the PD-8 engine based on PD-14 technology. Izdeliye 30 is supposed to be a whole new engine designed from the ground up so taking a decade to design is just normal. It is supposed to be a VCE and have a hotter combustion chamber than even the F-35's engine.

Last I heard reports of it several years ago, UEC Saturn were trying to recruit experienced welders and were having difficulties reliably manufacturing the engine. They were basically in production hell. I think it is quite telling that the Su-57M is flying for trials right now without the Izdeliye 30 engines. They quite likely have not started serial production on these yet.
 
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sunnymaxi

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It typically takes a decade to develop a new engine. At best it can take half a decade, but in that case you are likely reusing technology. For example designing the PD-8 engine based on PD-14 technology. Izdeliye 30 is supposed to be a whole new engine designed from the ground up so taking a decade to design is just normal. It is supposed to be a VCE and have a hotter combustion chamber than even the F-35's engine.

Last I heard reports of it several years ago, UEC Saturn were trying to recruit experienced welders and were having difficulties reliably manufacturing the engine. They were basically in production hell. I think it is quite telling that the Su-57M is flying for trials right now without the Izdeliye 30 engines. They quite likely have not started serial production on these yet.
i don't regularly follow Russian engine program. but Izdeliye 30 is a traditional regular turbofan engine not VCE configuration.

PD-8 derived from PD-14's core so yeah development time was shorter.

Izdeliye 30 won't be ready atleast until 2025 as per the latest information.
 

gelgoog

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Russia right now is developing several turbine engines for aviation. PD-8 engine for regional jets. PD-35 for widebodies. Izdeliye 30 for the PAK FA Project Megapolis. Izdeliye RF for PAK DA. VK-650, VK-800, VK-1600, PD-12V for helicopters.

The Russian Trade Minister recently announced that Klimov's helicopter engine manufacturing facility at St. Petersburg is currently producing 300 helicopter engines a year. Likely mostly VK-2500 derivatives. This from basically zero in 2014 when they were still made in Ukraine. The facility started operating in 2016. They want to expand their facilities to increase helicopter engine production to 500 engines a year.
 
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