Chinese Engine Development
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There is a distinctive central strake (red) and the distinctive tail boom with different coloured grey for radio frequency (yellow).
It's almost certainly J-20 with WS-10C.
Also, think about it a few more steps -- would the PLA officially release such a close up photo of J-XY/35 when it is still in testing? Very unlikely.
Yes.
You are both correct ... I had only my mobile at hand and remembered only these zig-zag-nozzles, which by memory appeared different to those of the WS-10C, but yes, it's a WS-10C
Should have some insight but i am not sure how up to date he is.
Some short notes on their views:
WS series engines are unreliable with short life
Engines are 20-25 years behind U.S tech
Chinese can innovate but their system prevents it.. (A lot of this rhetoric)
U.S military engine sector benefits from civilian engine sector.
WS series engines are unreliable with short life
I wouldn't surprised if this were true relatively. However, maybe Chinese engines do have inferior lifespan and reliability compared to F-110 and F-119/135 because the US has been making aero engines for decades, but as long as Chinese engines satisfies the the PLAAF and PLAN's needs, that's what matters. It is like Mig-21s fighting against the F-4s during Vietnam. Sure, the F-4s were superior in quality, but the Mig-21s were just good enough to threaten the F-4s survivability. That worked in Vietnam.
Engines are 20-25 years behind U.S tech
Absolutely true, if not 30 years. However, it is about what works. China only needs WS-10, WS-15, and WS-20 (all are 1980s era US technology) to put an end to US dominance in the air for the next 10-15 years.
Chinese can innovate but their system prevents it.. (A lot of this rhetoric)
The CCP prioritizes certain critical technologies over others. For the ones that the Party prioritizes (like those stated under MIC 2025 Industrial Policy), Beijing would try to make them successful regardless of costs. It is not about market economy or economic efficiency, but national security and survival.
U.S military engine sector benefits from civilian engine sector.
This is why Beijing now has an industrial policy called Civil-Military Fusion, which the US is cracking down REAL hard but to a limited effect thus far.
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as usual baseless argument/discussion from US generals. they are about 10 years behind times on Chinese engine technology.
WS series engines are highly reliable. Chinese engine are yet to surpass West in reliability and service life. but it is matter of few years. WS-15/WS-19 closed the gap.
China is now the global powerhouse in science and technology. they seems to live in the past.
China will be at the par with USA in engine technology by 2030.
Well ... as much as I'm impressed by the most recent progress, it must be admitted that by all accounts we know, most of the mentioned points are valid, both that Chinese engines "are not as reliable like US or Western ones" and also "that they are years behind"! To what extent they are less reliable and how many years behind is beyond my understanding, but even you must admit, the F119 and F135 are decades old and surely still the benchmark for any modern fighter engine.
As such as much as I disagree with these general's typical statements, I disagree to a similar extent with your "HAHAHAHAHAH and Lols!"
In fact this is the same - sorry to sound rude - believe in stupid propaganda like you accuse the US statements being stupid or "usual baseless argument" from US generals.
Again, I do not want to downrate the latest achievements and also the steps towards catching up, but we must admit, the US is also not sleeping, and also has new technologies in development, the new engine for the 6th generation fighter will surely push that bar up to the next level and if China can not only catch up the F135's level within a few years - you mention 10 - but even completely be on par with the then latest technology is IMO far from sure.
At least I won't bet.
with due respect brother.
WS series engines are highly reliable when it comes to service life and easier to maintain. but yet to touch Western counterparts. fine coz China started very late in this field. still made unprecedented progress. in fact WS series is still under progress. and continue to evolve.
WS-15/WS-19 are not 1980's technology. WS-15 is very advance and equipped with 21st century tech. can compete with Latest US military turbofan engines.
engine industry in mainland has now exploded. they can go anywhere.
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lets talk about innovations.
2022 rankings. top25 institutes in NATURE index in science and technology, 12 are from China. USA still sit on top in innovation but China also enjoy solid second place in science and technology. and this is just the beginning.
the most reputed science journal in the world. NATURE index.
i have said many times. West is so outdated when it comes to Chinese progress and development.
Sorry to contradict you ... the term "1980 technology" and "today technology" is misleading since even if the WS-15/19 are MOST LIKELY not 1980s technology, they yet have to prove that they reach the level of performance, the level of maturity and reliability like Western products have since decades, even if built with "today's technology". Even more you mention "are highly reliable when it comes to service life and easier to maintain" but you give no TBO, TBF and hours of service life and even if this is understandable all given data are still far away in comparison to US engines. They are better than Russian ones most often and here I agree with you, but IMO not on par - and in fact still far away - in comparison to Western engines.
Exactly that's the point: if that would be the case, "WS-15/WS-19 are not 1980's technology. WS-15 is very advance and equipped with 21st century tech. can compete with Latest US military turbofan engines." then they would be already running in operational live. And since they are not, in fact still far away from year-long operational service they are not on par regardless what you claim and I and many others here wish.
As such, I would be very careful if I would try to extrapolate such numbers of publications, new patents or whatever and equal that as being "far ahead" or the "West is so outdated"!
IMO it is the same arrogance and hubris that will let you or China fail in the same way the US think it is something "god-given" or some sort of nature law" to be ahead of all time and that others are not even able to catch up.
I for myself have more the stance to be careful, most careful with any such judgement - at least more careful than posting images
- since I don't know enough from both side to make such a bolt statement. And - sorry again to sound rude - I think barely anyone including you have enough understanding and confirmed information at hand to make such a conclusion.