Chinese Engine Development
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That help,helps China to speed up its generation fighter and skip a generation(4th) and straight jump to 3th to 4.5th generation.
It is the Russian who make mistake to give China access to 4th generation engine and airframe. Which subsequently speed up PLAAF modernisation. Of cos China knows it has to reply on itself afterward. Can't u see the huge resources pour into Chengdu AVIC 1 to make them self rely?
That is no need to DOUBT cos it will hardly happen again. Again , I need to stress, CHina reject PAF KA participation.. What does it tells u? Russia approach China first but was rejected before they approach the India.
And India will almost surely spend decades to come regretting that decision.
EDIATH
Junior Member
Mmmh, not agreeing with that. Indian aviation industry is still at an early stage of development (as shown by the progress in LCA and Kaveri projects). To co-develop the 5th gen. fighter with Russia would be a great opportunity to learn the basics. The bird went flying last week may not have much to do with Indian tech., but don't forget the twin-seater will be jointly developed by Russia and India later on. I can't think of a better way to 'learn the game' than "going through it with the pro".
On the other hand, China has evidently passed that stage. The development of J10 & J11 series are sometimes mentioned as the "gratuation" for chinese jets designers, as the assistance received from soviets in 1950s to build MIG15 considered lesson no. one.*
On the other hand, China has evidently passed that stage. The development of J10 & J11 series are sometimes mentioned as the "gratuation" for chinese jets designers, as the assistance received from soviets in 1950s to build MIG15 considered lesson no. one.*
Russia has learn the lesson of passing technology to China. This time, they will be smarter. Which means they will not pass on important knowledge of know how. Just like the AL-31 engine on SU-30 MKI which Russia so far refuse to let India co-produced.
I doubt they can learn much from Russia. And one thing I noticed regarding INdia is, it is badly equip in facilities of designing plane an parts. It even have to conduct Kaveri Engine test in Russia wind tunnel. If India is going to play the catch up. It better pour some money into this kind of facilites.
Not really, Russia didn't allow China license production of AL-31 either.
Both China and India were allowed to license production the frames. It was just China able to enhance and make something like the J11B for its own while India wouldn't do anything else other than license production the MKI frames.
Russia will allow India license production of Pak-Fa frames but not the engines and Radar.
Pointblank
Senior Member
The Russians allowed the Indians to license produce and overhaul the RD-33 engines in India... It could be very likely that Russia will let India continue to license produce and overhaul engines in India.
EDIATH
Junior Member
That's quite true. After all there won't be much of an aviation/engine industry without wind tunnels, engine test stands etc. However, it would be a considerable leap if HAL managed to develop a twin-seat PAK-AF with Russia, comparing with their current level of task i.e. assembling Su30MKK from Russian kits.
The complexity of a modern engine always beats the airframe, China couldn't have produced WS10 until massive upgrades were done on manufacturing facilities. I'm rather skeptical about Russia selling the whole production line of AL41 to India, as HAL is nowhere close to such level of technological complexity. Unless it's only the final assembly stage we're talking about :coffee:
Does anyone know when WS15 (or its engine core) started endurance testing? I believe the progress of subsystem developments also contributed to China's decision to turn down Russia's offer on PAK-AF joint venture. Plus the breakthroughs or near breakthroughs on AESA, signal reduction and so on, China wouldn't for the world let go the chance of "a solo career" on this!
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According to the article said, China's National Day parade fighters, many of them installed domestic engines, should be WS-10a for J-11B.
and the article said that seems the engine for 4th generation fighter getting progress.
I know WS-10a looks completely different from AL-31 but it might be the FWS-10 as its nozzle shrud looks very similiar to AL-31 except being slightly shorter.
Maybe the J-10 also being install with FWS-10, who knows?