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Totoro

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Thanks for the link, people. The interview in the magazine does not mention 1:8 weight to thrust ratio though. Was that added by someone else?

Also, what the guy said about chinese engines doesn't even sound much embellished. Maybe the bit about "less than ten year gap", but other stuff isn't really something to brag about.

Too bad we don't have more detailed info, is the 140 kn variant, for example, something that's ready for serial production and something we might see on j10b and j16? Especially j16, since it's bound to be heavier than j11b, being a multirole plane.
 
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Totoro said:
Thanks for the link, people. The interview in the magazine does not mention 1:8 weight to thrust ratio though. Was that added by someone else?

Also, what the guy said about chinese engines doesn't even sound much embellished. Maybe the bit about "less than ten year gap", but other stuff isn't really something to brag about.

Too bad we don't have more detailed info, is the 140 kn variant, for example, something that's ready for serial production and something we might see on j10b and j16? Especially j16, since it's bound to be heavier than j11b, being a multirole plane.
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老董说太行涡扇10发动机的推重比在8左右（发动机的推重比是指发动机的推力和发动机重量（重力）的比值） ，一般的三代机的发动机，都在8左右。他还透露，现在几个研究所正在联合研制的四代战斗机的发动机，在网上 称为涡扇15，那款发动机具备隐身性能。

no mentioning in the article for a variant engines to equip any planes

..but i think engine gap with us of a is less than 10 yrs is too much,,my 2-cent

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justadude said:
Well, 不到10年 could also mean less than 8 or 5, since he was just answering the reporter.

"记者：我们的发动机与美国的差距有没有10年？

老董：不到10年。"
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I hope he is implying WS-15 since F-119 has been around since the 90s.
 
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Ohhh come on :mad:, just turn around !!! :p:eek:
 

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Dolcevita

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Do we have confirmatiom from Chinese sources?
Russia, China agree on joint modernization of RD-93 engines for fighter jets

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Russia, China agree on joint modernization of RD-93 engines for fighter jets
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November 18, 1:20 UTC+3

MOSCOW, November 18. /TASS/. Russia’s United Engine-building Corporation (a part of Rostec) and China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) have agreed to jointly modernize the RD-93 turbojet engine developed by Russia’s St. Petersburg-based company Klimov.

An agreement to this effect was signed at the international aerospace show Air China-2014 that ended in China’s Zhuhai on Monday, the press service of the United Engine-building Corporation said.

“The agreement provides for the modernization of the engine’s power unit to augment thrust and for the organization of sales of these engines in China,” the press service said.

The Russian company and CATIC have a contract for the delivery, design supervision, technical maintenance, post-warranty servicing and assistance in the organization of capital repairs of RD-93 engines that are installed in Chinese FC-1 (JF-17) fighters.

Earlier, TASS learnt at the Air China show that a contract on the delivery of 100 such engines by 2016 had been signed earlier this year within the framework of a previous call.

In 2005, Russia’s biggest arms trade Rosoboronexport signed a deal with China on the delivery 100 RD-93 engines for FC-1 fighters, which was executed in 2010, and an option agreement for the supplies of 400 more engines of that type. Now, the delivery of the first 100 units under this agreement begins.

RD-93 engines are manufactured by the Moscow-based Chernyshev Machine-building plant.

A military diplomatic source told TASS on the sidelines of the Air China show that RD-93 engines were also installed in China’s stealth fighter of the fifth generation J-31 that had taken part in sow flights.
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Mika Montero

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Also this incident could be a "blessing in disguise" .. it will force China to develop its own engine (e.g WS-10B) more seriously (even at the moment very very serious) and pump more $$$$$$
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"more seriously (even at the moment very very serious)" means = staffing all 90% of the engine development engineers with Right_Brain type (or Think without the Box type).

100 million more Left_Brain type engineers (or Think inside the Box type) will not break this China engine development bottleneck.

Am I right to say ... ... ??
:( ... ...Unfortunately, in China, their system only reward the "Left_Brain type" who can flash and show their shiny famous university diploma.

In China, there are plenty of "innovative and genius farmers" who had invented many unusual items, but nobody give them any support to further develop their ideas, or invite those "innovative and genius Chinese farmers" to join the engine development team.

:( Sadly because, they are just farmers who have never attended any formal schooling, right ?

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Tyloe

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Now this is big news for the military sphere of Russia-China relations. This is perhaps the first clearest time that Russia is actually allowing the collaboration with China in military industrial development despite all the so called the political concerns. Till now it was an one way consumption streak but Moscow is slowing opening up for jointly developed projects. This might become a new trend of deepening cooperation in the defence industry as they already designed small UAVs and proposed plans to jointly develop a new helicopter based on the Mil-Mi 26. (Noticeably this cooperation is mostly for projects for the Air Force). Remember in the 90s when Russia invited China for joint development on the Pak-Fa? Who knows, such openness may slowly come again as military industrial relations improve.
 
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