Chinese Engine Development

TyroneG

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Here's what happened to the WS10A based J11B. It's really a trial usage. Too much issues. Forget about WS10A on J15 due to reliability.


Prior to the PLA Navy has given up this power plant installed on the J-15 fighter , until mass production of high-quality performance of the domestic aviation engines get guaranteed so far. PLA Navy requires the installation of Russian -made AL-31F engine replacement WS-10A. China's Air Force, at this moment the F -16 fighter engine choice is equally pressing problem is being widely discussed . Chinese Air Force representatives felt that the best solution is for the assembly of the F -16 AL-31F engines. But experts believe that after the J-15 and J -16 to start mass production , will face a shortage of the number of Russian-made engine problems .

According to sources in China feedback , domestic WS-10A aero engine often a problem. Currently the PLA Air Force Aviation Regiment at least five domestic engine assembly using the F -11B fighter . Experts point out that these aircraft mounted engine has a lot of Depot Repair, and assembly of the Russian-made AL-31F engine F-11B fighter is not to blame .

It is reported that when the WS-10A engine was originally used in the delivery of combat troops , the production unit has been clear that these engines are in the trial , so all defects discovered during use does not matter . Experts believe that the reason why China's aviation engine manufacturing plays a negative role , mainly because of the lack of significant competition between Chinese military enterprises. Even if found quality problems associated with the engine , the Central Military Industrial Committee also recommended that the PLA Air Force use of domestic aviation engines, in order to stimulate production from the economy. Chinese sources also pointed out that the PLA Air Force, it is impossible to completely switch to Russian AL-31F engines , because the relative shortage of this type of power plant . ( Translation: Lin )


此前中国人民解放军海军已经放弃在歼-15歼击机上安装这种动力装置,直到量产型国产航空发动机的高质量性能得到保证之时为止。解放军海军要求安装俄罗斯 AL-31F发动机替代国产WS-10A。对中国空军来说,此时此刻为歼-16歼击机选择发动机的问题同样迫切,目前正在广泛讨论。中国空军代表认为,最佳方案是为歼-16装配AL-31F发动机。但是专家认为,在歼-15和歼-16开始批量生产之后,将会面临俄制发动机数量短缺的问题。

  根据中国消息人士反馈的情况,国产WS-10A航空发动机经常出现问题。目前解放军空军至少5个航空团在使用装配国产发动机的歼-11B歼击机。专家指出,这些飞机安装的发动机已经大量返厂维修,而装配俄制AL-31F发动机的歼-11B战机则没有受到指责。

  据悉,在WS-10A发动机最初交付作战部队使用之时,生产单位就已经明确指出,这些发动机是在试用,因此使用过程中发现的所有缺陷都无关紧要。专家认为,中国航空发动机制造领域之所以扮演了反面角色,主要是因为中国军工企业之间缺乏明显的竞争。即使发现与发动机有关的质量问题,中央军事工业委员会也会建议解放军空军使用国产航空发动机,以便从经济上刺激生产。中国消息人士还指出,解放军空军也不可能完全改用俄制AL-31F发动机,因为该型动力装置较为短缺。(编译:林海)
 
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Deino

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Upppsss... there was it again that strange fishy feeling. And surely in a few days again that old Su-35-rumour will reappear again ! :eek:

Deino
 

rhino123

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Here's what happened to the WS10A based J11B. It's really a trial usage. Too much issues. Forget about WS10A on J15 due to reliability.


Prior to the PLA Navy has given up this power plant installed on the J-15 fighter , until mass production of high-quality performance of the domestic aviation engines get guaranteed so far. PLA Navy requires the installation of Russian -made AL-31F engine replacement WS-10A. China's Air Force, at this moment the F -16 fighter engine choice is equally pressing problem is being widely discussed . Chinese Air Force representatives felt that the best solution is for the assembly of the F -16 AL-31F engines. But experts believe that after the J-15 and J -16 to start mass production , will face a shortage of the number of Russian-made engine problems .

According to sources in China feedback , domestic WS-10A aero engine often a problem. Currently the PLA Air Force Aviation Regiment at least five domestic engine assembly using the F -11B fighter . Experts point out that these aircraft mounted engine has a lot of Depot Repair, and assembly of the Russian-made AL-31F engine F-11B fighter is not to blame .

It is reported that when the WS-10A engine was originally used in the delivery of combat troops , the production unit has been clear that these engines are in the trial , so all defects discovered during use does not matter . Experts believe that the reason why China's aviation engine manufacturing plays a negative role , mainly because of the lack of significant competition between Chinese military enterprises. Even if found quality problems associated with the engine , the Central Military Industrial Committee also recommended that the PLA Air Force use of domestic aviation engines, in order to stimulate production from the economy. Chinese sources also pointed out that the PLA Air Force, it is impossible to completely switch to Russian AL-31F engines , because the relative shortage of this type of power plant . ( Translation: Lin )


此前中国人民解放军海军已经放弃在歼-15歼击机上安装这种动力装置,直到量产型国产航空发动机的高质量性能得到保证之时为止。解放军海军要求安装俄罗斯 AL-31F发动机替代国产WS-10A。对中国空军来说,此时此刻为歼-16歼击机选择发动机的问题同样迫切,目前正在广泛讨论。中国空军代表认为,最佳方案是为歼-16装配AL-31F发动机。但是专家认为,在歼-15和歼-16开始批量生产之后,将会面临俄制发动机数量短缺的问题。

  根据中国消息人士反馈的情况,国产WS-10A航空发动机经常出现问题。目前解放军空军至少5个航空团在使用装配国产发动机的歼-11B歼击机。专家指出,这些飞机安装的发动机已经大量返厂维修,而装配俄制AL-31F发动机的歼-11B战机则没有受到指责。

  据悉,在WS-10A发动机最初交付作战部队使用之时,生产单位就已经明确指出,这些发动机是在试用,因此使用过程中发现的所有缺陷都无关紧要。专家认为,中国航空发动机制造领域之所以扮演了反面角色,主要是因为中国军工企业之间缺乏明显的竞争。即使发现与发动机有关的质量问题,中央军事工业委员会也会建议解放军空军使用国产航空发动机,以便从经济上刺激生产。中国消息人士还指出,解放军空军也不可能完全改用俄制AL-31F发动机,因为该型动力装置较为短缺。(编译:林海)

A large passage of chinese words... no links to whatever source, might be written by our friend here himself to deframe the Chinese.

I wonder what has the Chinese developers actually did to him for his hatred to the country's systems?

So let me try to point out some questionable parts that I found and I believe many more learned and knowledgeable members here can point out.

此前中国人民解放军海军已经放弃在歼-15歼击机上安装这种动力装置,直到量产型国产航空发动机的高质量性能得到保证之时为止

Reference to this statement? Who in the PLA mentioned it? Or was it that the author simply dream about it? Plus mentioned millions of times and yet this statement doesn't get into TyroneG's head was when the J-15 flew, WS-10A was not ready yet. Plus up till now, we do not know if the WS-10A was actually designed for carrier borne aircraft.

解放军海军要求安 装俄罗斯 AL-31F发动机替代国产WS-10A

Again... no reference. Common sense has it that when a prototype flies and the domestic engines are not ready, of course they use an engine that was tested and proven... or even an engine that is available. So who say that the PLA demand the AL-31F to replace the WS-10A when the WS-10A was not even on the J-15 at all?

中国空军代表认为,最佳方案是为歼-16装配AL-31F发动机

Which China airforce representative was that? TyroneG?

根据中国消息人士反馈的情况,国产WS-10A航空发动机经常出现问题

Who? TyroneG?

目前解放军空军至少5个航空团在使用装配国产发动机的歼-11B歼击机。专家指出,这些飞机安装的发动机已经大量返厂维修,而装配俄制AL-31F发动机的歼-11B战机则没有受到指责

Reference? Which expert? TyroneG?

And there are so many other. I wonder why I even bother?
 
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Blitzo

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Oh, a Russian magazine?

Well, tyrone, old chap, looks like you found a truly golden, credible source, I'll have to concede that WS-10As are utterly unreliable and the chinese engine industry is an abysmal failure. Thank goodness we have a translated Russian article posted on mil sina to allow us to see the truth. This must be what it is like for an atheist to meet god, oh how my previously held notions now seem so ignorant.
 

latenlazy

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Upppsss... there was it again that strange fishy feeling. And surely in a few days again that old Su-35-rumour will reappear again ! :eek:

Deino

Maybe we'll get a Tu-22M rumour too. I have an off hand and unlikely suspicion that this has something to do with China getting the better of Russia in a recent gas deal.
 

Equation

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Maybe we'll get a Tu-22M rumour too. I have an off hand and unlikely suspicion that this has something to do with China getting the better of Russia in a recent gas deal.

Why stop there, throw in the Russian Proton-M rocket that failed in yesterday's launch, since the Chinese don't know how to make rockets.;):p
 

BigWang

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Now, Ukraine falls apart.

SHouldn't China go out hard and recruit the technical people from Ukraine. The engine for the trainer, the tank engine all these CHina can use and can get it the know how at a discount price.
 

rhino123

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Now, Ukraine falls apart.

SHouldn't China go out hard and recruit the technical people from Ukraine. The engine for the trainer, the tank engine all these CHina can use and can get it the know how at a discount price.

First of all... why would China want the tank engines? China can build their own tank engines. Secondly, why would China want Ukraine trainer engines? Is the trainer engines from Ukraine better than the ones that China already had and is using?
 
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