Chinese Engine Development
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broadsword
Brigadier
It is China's prerogative to decide what engine to approach a foreign company for joint venture production and what for indigenous production without cooperation. You can be sure China would rather produce military aircraft engines on their own, after all they have the means and money. Your opinion might apply to a smaller nation like Mexico or Taiwan, but not to China. Your argument thus far by bringing Mexico into the picture is simply moot. Both have different needs and ability, something you have not understood and accepted. By ignoring to reply to some of the others' posts, you have not addressed their explanations.
Precisely
Same as the wonderful Russian businessman who never upheld the contract they signed with counterparts in expect of greater profit as they try to forced with a recontract...
China IL-76 signed with Russian
India INS Vikramaditya
India Su-30MKI
So means what? I will be sceptical doing business with Russian becos any contract signed and bound by law with be subject to changes according to them...
So you are telling all of us that TPhuang agrees with you on applying Mexican experience to China because he continues to allow you to post in this thread. That you have the support of moderator TPhuang.
I would like to hear TPhuang's view on this.
Dizasta1
Senior Member
Unfriggin believeable ....... I've just skimmed through 10 pages of "Chinese Engine Development" and all I have read is MiG-29 yapping about Russia's prowess, belittle China and nothing about Chinese engines.
My question to everyone here is, why are you guys even bothering with him?
MiG-29 .... we get it, Russia is the all powerful, knows everything and does everything right. Happy?
If only Russians and Chinese understood the value in being close allies, they would realize how big an advantage they have over the US. If only Russia and China knew, how threatened and fearful the U.S Govt is of the Sino-Russian alliance, this sort of bickering, yapping and arguing wouldn't take place.
This thread is of "Chinese Engine Development" and I'd really appreciate if any of the Chinese members can give me an update on the WS-10 Taihang and WS-13 Taishan engines. I honestly don't want to go back 50 pages before I could find material which actually talks about Chinese engine development.
Kind regards,
Dizasta1
My question to everyone here is, why are you guys even bothering with him?
MiG-29 .... we get it, Russia is the all powerful, knows everything and does everything right. Happy?
If only Russians and Chinese understood the value in being close allies, they would realize how big an advantage they have over the US. If only Russia and China knew, how threatened and fearful the U.S Govt is of the Sino-Russian alliance, this sort of bickering, yapping and arguing wouldn't take place.
This thread is of "Chinese Engine Development" and I'd really appreciate if any of the Chinese members can give me an update on the WS-10 Taihang and WS-13 Taishan engines. I honestly don't want to go back 50 pages before I could find material which actually talks about Chinese engine development.
Kind regards,
Dizasta1
MiG-29
Banned Idiot
The problem to your vision is this:
To get tech transfers you need to get the trust of the companies granting the tech transfers
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That report dealt with the unacceptable risks for the engine maker CFM International, in setting up an assembly line for its LEAP-X new technology engine in China, and for European company GKN in building the tail section of the c919.
This is completly relevant, so tell me why the company does not go to China?
Check the engine is not even american but French american
The CFM International LEAP (formerly called LEAP-X) is a high-bypass turbofan engine. It is currently under development by CFM International, a 50-50 joint venture company between GE Aviation of the United States and Snecma of France
Let me give you a detail
General Electric
In the last three years, GEIQ has contributed to the design of next-generation turbine components for the civil aviation market, such as the GP 7200 engine for the Airbus A380 (the largest aircraft in the world) or the new GEnX turbine for the Boeing 787 "Dreamliner".
Mexican engineers are collaborating in the design of various components for the Leap-X and Tech-X turbines, reinforcing the competitiveness of our industry's clients by providing improvements in fuel consumption, lower maintenance costs and reduced NOx (pollution) and noise levels, in compliance with ever more stringent global restrictions.
The answer is simple, in China, they want the tech and partnerhip, in Mexico we are just workers, true but our engineers work in an engine for Chinese C919
The difference is the way China wants the tech and the lack of trust by western companies china will keep its word
GKN Aerospace has established a new composites manufacturing facility in Mexico. The new 80,000 square foot Mexicali composite manufacturing facility is expected to employ over 100 staff by 2017 and will manufacture composite airframe structures.
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The site will start work with the Sikorsky BLACK HAWK work package with parts scheduled for delivery by the end of 2012, further production work will be transferred to the new site over time, with almost all staff recruited locally and trained in the range of manufacturing skills required to produce structures for both fixed and rotary wing aircraft.
The new facility will provide direct manufacturing support to the company’s Alabama operation which provides aerostructures for customers such as Sikorsky, GE, HondaJet and Airbus.
Marcus Bryson, CEO and President, GKN Aerospace and GKN Land Systems explains:
“The new composites operation will extend our very successful Mexico production activities and will play a key role in supporting Sikorsky and other major customers in the long term. The skills we will develop in our new Mexicali team will grow the valuable expertise we have in the country and help us extend our aerostructures business by manufacturing consistently high quality components at a very competitive cost to our customers.
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broadsword
Brigadier
As I said, with its prerogative, China can go on on its own, as with the WS-10, even if it takes longer. China has the resources, something not many nations have.
Right now, all it matters is internal improvement of AVIC jet engine manufacturing.
The biggest Move could be CAC getting involved into that like taking over WS13 Program from Ghuizhou and doing WS10A production line for its J10A/J10B fighters.
SAC 's WS10A production is for its J11B and J15 fighters.
This way each division is doing production for its own fighters. And it will clear which division doing a better job .
Definitely AVIC needs to overhaul structurally.
The biggest Move could be CAC getting involved into that like taking over WS13 Program from Ghuizhou and doing WS10A production line for its J10A/J10B fighters.
SAC 's WS10A production is for its J11B and J15 fighters.
This way each division is doing production for its own fighters. And it will clear which division doing a better job .
Definitely AVIC needs to overhaul structurally.
I think China just trying to learn the the certification process and get it's hand on LEAP-X engine and clone it. There's No doubt in my mind.
I do not think China has the preconceived notion or hope of selling much of its C919 to western countries.
If C919 become completely indigenous later and occupied predominantly the Chinese Market and some other second tiered or third tiered countries it would be a Success.
I don't think it's going to be a failure. Getting rid of Beoing and Airbus monopoly in China alone is already a big success.
China do not put too much hope of selling them to western countries.
Definitely African countries, some muslim countries and some latin america countries and some asian countries will buy this plane for their internal domestic flights. That would be good enough.
Anyway, if China holding a grudge against CFM now,then CFM will pay later as China will not cooperate with them for joint project.
CFM is holding a hardline position, and it will pay later. One and Done type of thing.
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