Really? how many engines has CAC develop/built so far? Do you think its easy to do that? better to deliver the project to XAC. They already have WS-9 and WS-15 AFAIK.
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Really? how many engines has CAC develop/built so far? Do you think its easy to do that? better to deliver the project to XAC. They already have WS-9 and WS-15 AFAIK.
One very important thing remember is not to let CFM LEAP-X powered C919 planes proliferated too quickly inside China.
CHina has to slow it down this program to wait for the cloning of CFM LEAP-X to catch up.
The goal is learn certification and have sample of LEXP-X to clone. And it takes time.
if too many CFM LEAP-X powered C919 running in China then they are setting the bar too high and will have detriment to domestic version.
China needs to slow down on this and don't ruin its internal market. That's very important.
CHina has to slow it down this program to wait for the cloning of CFM LEAP-X to catch up.
The goal is learn certification and have sample of LEXP-X to clone. And it takes time.
if too many CFM LEAP-X powered C919 running in China then they are setting the bar too high and will have detriment to domestic version.
China needs to slow down on this and don't ruin its internal market. That's very important.
Better than Guizhou. XAC has their hands full already with WS15, WS18, JH7B, Stealth Bomber...etc.
That's what I am proposing. Let CAC to start to take a bite.
As of now, CAC hasn't even begin but they can catch up quickly like Lavi project.
Because CAC has a lot more talent base, once they learn the basics,they can expand much quickly.
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The C919 tries to use a top-down approach to win market share and is simply a wrong way to go about things in my opinion. China should have stick with its successful bottom-up approach by first becoming a giant supplier for sub-systems. But enough of that.
Looking back at WS-10, China first got the CFM engines in 1982, but it wasn't until 2009 that WS-10 starts entering mass production. In the intervening years, China has to redo all the researches that the West has already done. Processes such as the making of single crystal blades are technologies that will not be transferred, and cannot be learned by buying then studying an engine.
Having gone through the WS-10 development process and with the WS-15 nearing completion, China should already have all the technologies to build an equivalent to the LEAP-X engine. Getting LEAP-X engines would contribute little to China's knowledge. The only problem is that the design and engineering phase of a new engine would take take China ten years or more, and that will severely delay the C919 program. So, China's intention for the LEAP-X is to enable the aircraft get off the ground quickly while being efficient enough to be competitive. This is similar to what China has done with the J-10, J-11B, J-20 and Y-20 -- use a foreign engine first until the domestic version becomes available.
What makes you believe that?
What Are They Making?
生产任务异常严峻 中航黎明签军令状力保完成
Production task extremely severe, AVIC Liming signed Commitment: Must Complete the Order Contract
2013年08月15日 16:13 来源：中国航空报 参与互动(0)0 8月11日，中航工业黎明组织科级以上领导干部以及专家骨干近千人召开完成全年任务大干动员会，号召全体员工举全力坚决完成全年任务。
动员会上，黎明公司领导颁布了总经理1号、2号令。黎明公司董事长、党委书记杨森，总经理王健明签署了完成任务的军令状。黎明公司领导班子其他成员也分别签署了军令状，同时要求公司的领导干部要层层签订军令状，强化责任，打赢攻坚战。
今年以来，黎明公司遇到了前所未有的压力和挑战。面对生产任务异常严峻的形势，黎明公司要求干部职工统一思想、励精图治，正确认识公司当前形势和遇到的困难；坚定信心，咬紧牙关，坚决完成全年交付任务和经营目标。
杨森指出，各级领导干部要以“交任务、保经营、渡难关”为总体要求，立足岗位、勇于担当、身先士卒、有效履职，团结带领职工群众共克时艰。生产系统一要科学计划、精心组织、高效执行；二要服务一线、连横合纵；三要强化风险管理、严防密控。各部门要坚持“业务谁主管，质量谁主抓，责任谁承担”的“三谁”机制。在工作中要求员工必须按照技术规范和规章制度去执行，严格考核、严格奖惩，保证工作质量和产品质量。
会议号召全体干部职工迅速行动起来，振奋精神、顽强拼搏，打赢完成全年任务这场攻坚战。（通讯员 杜学胜）
Auto Translation:
Production task extremely severe AVIC signed a military order to secure the completion Liming August 15, 2013 Source: China Aviation News August 11, AVIC Liming organization Kejiyishang thousand cadres and cadres of experts convened to mobilize big annual task Council called on all staff fully determined to complete the annual task lift. Mobilization meeting, the company leadership has issued a general manager Dawn No. 1, two orders. Liming chairman, party secretary Yeung Sum, general manager Wang Jianming signed a military order to complete the task. Liming of the other members of company leadership were also signed a military order, also asked the company's leadership cadres signed their military order, strengthen the responsibility and winning battle. This year, the Liming company encountered unprecedented pressures and challenges. Abnormal production tasks facing the grim situation, the company asked the cadres and workers Liming unity of thinking, good governance, a correct understanding of the company's current situation and the difficulties encountered; confidence, grit your teeth, determined to complete the annual delivery of mission and business objectives. Yeung Sum pointed out that leading cadres at all levels in order to "make the task, security management, tide over the crisis" as the general requirements, based on the post, the courage to play, take the lead, the effective performance of their duties, to unite and lead the masses of workers to overcome the difficulties. Production system a science program should, meticulous organization, efficient execution; two to service line, even combined vertical and horizontal; Third, we must strengthen risk management to prevent close control. All departments must adhere to the "business of who is in charge, who is concentrating on quality, who bears the responsibility" of the "three who" mechanism. Employees must work in accordance with the technical specification requirements and regulations to enforce, strict examination, strict punishments, to ensure the quality of work and product quality. The meeting called on all cadres and workers to act quickly, spirit, hard work, to complete the annual task of winning this battle. (Correspondent Duxue Sheng)
生产任务异常严峻 中航黎明签军令状力保完成
Production task extremely severe, AVIC Liming signed Commitment: Must Complete the Order Contract
2013年08月15日 16:13 来源：中国航空报 参与互动(0)0 8月11日，中航工业黎明组织科级以上领导干部以及专家骨干近千人召开完成全年任务大干动员会，号召全体员工举全力坚决完成全年任务。
动员会上，黎明公司领导颁布了总经理1号、2号令。黎明公司董事长、党委书记杨森，总经理王健明签署了完成任务的军令状。黎明公司领导班子其他成员也分别签署了军令状，同时要求公司的领导干部要层层签订军令状，强化责任，打赢攻坚战。
今年以来，黎明公司遇到了前所未有的压力和挑战。面对生产任务异常严峻的形势，黎明公司要求干部职工统一思想、励精图治，正确认识公司当前形势和遇到的困难；坚定信心，咬紧牙关，坚决完成全年交付任务和经营目标。
杨森指出，各级领导干部要以“交任务、保经营、渡难关”为总体要求，立足岗位、勇于担当、身先士卒、有效履职，团结带领职工群众共克时艰。生产系统一要科学计划、精心组织、高效执行；二要服务一线、连横合纵；三要强化风险管理、严防密控。各部门要坚持“业务谁主管，质量谁主抓，责任谁承担”的“三谁”机制。在工作中要求员工必须按照技术规范和规章制度去执行，严格考核、严格奖惩，保证工作质量和产品质量。
会议号召全体干部职工迅速行动起来，振奋精神、顽强拼搏，打赢完成全年任务这场攻坚战。（通讯员 杜学胜）
Auto Translation:
Production task extremely severe AVIC signed a military order to secure the completion Liming August 15, 2013 Source: China Aviation News August 11, AVIC Liming organization Kejiyishang thousand cadres and cadres of experts convened to mobilize big annual task Council called on all staff fully determined to complete the annual task lift. Mobilization meeting, the company leadership has issued a general manager Dawn No. 1, two orders. Liming chairman, party secretary Yeung Sum, general manager Wang Jianming signed a military order to complete the task. Liming of the other members of company leadership were also signed a military order, also asked the company's leadership cadres signed their military order, strengthen the responsibility and winning battle. This year, the Liming company encountered unprecedented pressures and challenges. Abnormal production tasks facing the grim situation, the company asked the cadres and workers Liming unity of thinking, good governance, a correct understanding of the company's current situation and the difficulties encountered; confidence, grit your teeth, determined to complete the annual delivery of mission and business objectives. Yeung Sum pointed out that leading cadres at all levels in order to "make the task, security management, tide over the crisis" as the general requirements, based on the post, the courage to play, take the lead, the effective performance of their duties, to unite and lead the masses of workers to overcome the difficulties. Production system a science program should, meticulous organization, efficient execution; two to service line, even combined vertical and horizontal; Third, we must strengthen risk management to prevent close control. All departments must adhere to the "business of who is in charge, who is concentrating on quality, who bears the responsibility" of the "three who" mechanism. Employees must work in accordance with the technical specification requirements and regulations to enforce, strict examination, strict punishments, to ensure the quality of work and product quality. The meeting called on all cadres and workers to act quickly, spirit, hard work, to complete the annual task of winning this battle. (Correspondent Duxue Sheng)
Looks like Shenyang Liming can't play tricks anymore. The PLA top brass is real angry... I bet if they cannot deliver. Punishment will even be death.
You can take pictures of the most secret aircraft manufacturing facilities and only be fired, I don't think failing to deliver products on due date would warrant a death sentence.
Mostly the failure to deliver even after the CCP top brass has given specific instruction will be due to corruption.
Remember the former head of China railway corruption cases. Even Jiang Zemin which is his close comrade couldn't save him(Liu Zhijun) after a series of his corruption exposed and severe accident happen.
He was given death sentence...
I believe PLA will not hesitate to kill one to set example when comes to national concern especially aeroengine.
Sorry... got to chimp in here.
Why would you say failure to deliver after the top brass had given specific instruction will be due to corruption? There are hundreds of reasons why a project would be delayed. First off, the technology might not be matured enough, the engineers and designer might still find problems with the design, there are supply chain and logistic issues, some components cannot be made on time, etc etc.
The other example you gave is mainly due to corruption that ultimately caused disaster, it was proven to be corruption and so Liu Zhijun was given the death sentence (it is a totally different case as the above mentioned).
Unless it is proven that the delay was caused due to corruption on anyone's part, then you can see death sentence being handed out.