Chinese Engine Development

ReneDad

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I have just googled the Chinese 4G engine and I found this old video I'm not sure if anyone has posted it here before.

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At the time frame 07:49/08:31 of this video clip of the interview by CCTV, Zhang En-he, the chief designer of Taihang, claimed "...the birth of our high-thrust turbofan engine(Taihang) indicates that the engines of our main force of 3G fighters will get rid of the embarrassing situation of being controlled by foreigners. And based on this foundation, I think, the birthday of the engine to power our 4G fighters will not be too far from now on."

Had he already suggest that the 4G fighter would be powered by a variant of WS-10 and the engine would come out soon at the time?
 

latenlazy

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I have just googled the Chinese 4G engine and I found this old video I'm not sure if anyone has posted it here before.

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At the time frame 07:49/08:31 of this video clip of the interview by CCTV, Zhang En-he, the chief designer of Taihang, claimed "...the birth of our high-thrust turbofan engine(Taihang) indicates that the engines of our main force of 3G fighters will get rid of the embarrassing situation of being controlled by foreigners. And based on this foundation, I think, the birthday of the engine to power our 4G fighters will not be too far from now on."

Had he already suggest that the 4G fighter would be powered by a variant of WS-10 and the engine would come out soon at the time?
It's probable that they've been working on a high thrust variant since 2005 when it got production certification.
 

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Hendrik_2000

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Courtesy of Strangelove from CDF . For too long the progress in material science and 5 axis CNC machine has hampered the progress of Aero Engine in China It is ironic the west embargo China on CNC machine and now 5 of the biggest manufacturer of CNC are Chinese and only 1 left in the US . Material science is harder to solve but with the breakthorugh in manufacturing the first stage of Turbine blade China finally join the selected few of Jet engine manufacturer.

I tend to believe Huitong when he said that J 10 B is platform to test new technology and the new WS 10G definitely tested on J 10B giving them confidence to use it on J-20

Stealth jet team proves its metal

Stephen Chen
Jan 15, 2011 SCMP.com

Metallurgist Shi Changxu won a top national science award yesterday for his contribution to the development of high-performance jet engines - three days after the first public test flight of the mainland's J-20 stealth fighter plane.

Professor Shi, former director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences' Institute of Metal Research in Shenyang, developed several families of top-secret, heat-resistant alloys, according to mainland scientists working on jet engines.

The secret alloys were developed decades ago, but because jet engine metals take a long time to test, Shi's alloys have only recently begun to be used in the mainland's jet engines.

In 1955, Shi left his teaching post at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and boarded a ship for the East. He was one of 30 or so Chinese scientists held by the United States government to prevent them from returning to communist China. Shi left the US about the same time as Qian Xuesen, a rocket scientist from the California Institute of Technology, who later founded the Chinese space programme.

After he landed in Shanghai, Shi was immediately sent to Shenyang, a heavy industry base in the northeast province of Liaoning, to boost steel production. Beijing's relationship with Moscow then soured rapidly and the Russians stopped helping their old ally develop fighter jets. The military turned to Shi for help.

With hard work, genius and luck, Shi not only came up with the required alloys using the traditional approach he learned in the West, but also devised something entirely new.

The laboratory performance of the new alloys was so good that no one dared to use them. For safety concerns, plane designers stuck with traditional alloys for China's mass-produced jet engines, whose performance lagged significantly behind their overseas counterparts.

Shi's alloys then began a long march for industrial acceptance. Only recently, with their application in some of the mainland's most advanced fighter jets such as the J-20, have designers fully accepted them.

Professor Zhang Lanting, from the school of materials science and engineering at Shanghai Jiaotong University, said the mainland's aviation material science sector had been waiting too long for this award.

Some people thought China did not have the materials to make high-performance jet engines, but they were wrong, Zhang said.
"The fact is, we have lots of top-quality materials, but to convince plane designers to use them we need to test it for decades - normally 30 years - for absolute safety," he said. "Within 10 years Chinese engines will begin to replace foreign ones in the civilian sector. In the military sector the replacement has already begun."

Professor Wu Suojun, a specialist in new materials at Beihang University, China's top aviation research institute, said the mainland was quickly narrowing the technological gap with the world's leading engine makers.

"With the successful test flight of the J-20 and other new planes, it is time to reward the heroes behind the scenes," Wu said.
 

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Courtesy of Strangelove from CDF . For too long the progress in material science and 5 axis CNC machine has hampered the progress of Aero Engine in China It is ironic the west embargo China on CNC machine and now 5 of the biggest manufacturer of CNC are Chinese and only 1 left in the US . Material science is harder to solve but with the breakthorugh in manufacturing the first stage of Turbine blade China finally join the selected few of Jet engine manufacturer.

I tend to believe Huitong when he said that J 10 B is platform to test new technology and the new WS 10G definitely tested on J 10B giving them confidence to use it on J-20

Stealth jet team proves its metal

Stephen Chen
Jan 15, 2011 SCMP.com

Metallurgist Shi Changxu won a top national science award yesterday for his contribution to the development of high-performance jet engines - three days after the first public test flight of the mainland's J-20 stealth fighter plane.

Professor Shi, former director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences' Institute of Metal Research in Shenyang, developed several families of top-secret, heat-resistant alloys, according to mainland scientists working on jet engines.

The secret alloys were developed decades ago, but because jet engine metals take a long time to test, Shi's alloys have only recently begun to be used in the mainland's jet engines.

In 1955, Shi left his teaching post at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and boarded a ship for the East. He was one of 30 or so Chinese scientists held by the United States government to prevent them from returning to communist China. Shi left the US about the same time as Qian Xuesen, a rocket scientist from the California Institute of Technology, who later founded the Chinese space programme.

After he landed in Shanghai, Shi was immediately sent to Shenyang, a heavy industry base in the northeast province of Liaoning, to boost steel production. Beijing's relationship with Moscow then soured rapidly and the Russians stopped helping their old ally develop fighter jets. The military turned to Shi for help.

With hard work, genius and luck, Shi not only came up with the required alloys using the traditional approach he learned in the West, but also devised something entirely new.

The laboratory performance of the new alloys was so good that no one dared to use them. For safety concerns, plane designers stuck with traditional alloys for China's mass-produced jet engines, whose performance lagged significantly behind their overseas counterparts.

Shi's alloys then began a long march for industrial acceptance. Only recently, with their application in some of the mainland's most advanced fighter jets such as the J-20, have designers fully accepted them.

Professor Zhang Lanting, from the school of materials science and engineering at Shanghai Jiaotong University, said the mainland's aviation material science sector had been waiting too long for this award.

Some people thought China did not have the materials to make high-performance jet engines, but they were wrong, Zhang said.
"The fact is, we have lots of top-quality materials, but to convince plane designers to use them we need to test it for decades - normally 30 years - for absolute safety," he said. "Within 10 years Chinese engines will begin to replace foreign ones in the civilian sector. In the military sector the replacement has already begun."

Professor Wu Suojun, a specialist in new materials at Beihang University, China's top aviation research institute, said the mainland was quickly narrowing the technological gap with the world's leading engine makers.

"With the successful test flight of the J-20 and other new planes, it is time to reward the heroes behind the scenes," Wu said.

Another piece of news that implies that they have made breakthrough in jet engines. This one, the message is even clearer. So, what to make of it?
 

ReneDad

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seems that this message from Maya came mostly unnoticed...

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Re: Ws10a
J-20 demonstrator is powered by AL-31Fs
Last edited by maya; 1 Week Ago at 12:29 PM.

Some Chinese fanboys believe that the silver nozzles of the J-20 were jsut some kind of Chinese-made infrared-reducing coating over AL-31 nozzles.

It sounds reasonable indeed, if the demonstrator is only for demonstrating and testing how stealth the plane in air is to PLAAF.

But for their communist dads's neck's sake, I wish it was not.

:p;)
 

ReneDad

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Another piece of news that implies that they have made breakthrough in jet engines. This one, the message is even clearer. So, what to make of it?

Shi is a metallurgist. I think he or his institute is related to develope the monocrystalline alloy blade, the crown jewel of modern aeroengine technology. Without monocrystalline blades, China will not make any 4G engines with T/W ratio of 9 to 10. And without such kind of engines, all the efforts of developing 4G fighters are just waste of time and money.
 
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