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Check out this excerpt from Giles and "The Chinese Times". While definitely a racist product of its time, I think it does speak correctly about Confucian cultures of courtesy, or what's increasingly becoming an American culture of group-think and sacrosanct sanctimoniousness in the West.

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Check out this excerpt from Giles and "The Chinese Times". While definitely a racist product of its time, I think it does speak correctly about Confucian cultures of courtesy, or what's increasingly becoming an American culture of group-think and sacrosanct sanctimoniousness in the West.

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LOL..are you kidding me? Reading articles and writings from a bunch of prejudice academia's who all has inferior complex just because many of us don't follow their Judeo Christian values. They are the Steve Bannon of their times all right.:rolleyes:o_O No it does NOT speak volume about the Chinese culture or Confucian culture whatsoever. Just more of the same "oh we are better than them" fake social science explanation to make up for their lack of historical civilization culture.
 

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The contrast could not be more stark: Xi Jinping, the first president of China to attend the World Economic Forum in Davos in January, leading the largest Chinese contingent ever and pledging
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, versus newly inaugurated President Donald Trump promising to “make America First” and threatening renewed trade barriers, especially with China, and
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Mr. Xi was treated like a rock star by the Davos capitalists, and while never mentioning Trump (or, for that matter, Britain’s protectionist Brexit withdrawal) by name, he unmistakably took aim against them. Taking on a mantle of global leadership, Mr. Xi said “[n]o one will emerge as a winner in a trade war,” and compared protectionism to “
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.” It’s not clear anything in the meeting between President Xi and President Trump last week adjusted these positions.

These radical paradigm shifts should be of utmost importance to Silicon Valley, particularly companies whose models and profits are based on proprietary intellectual property.

China is not only taking the spotlight in strong defense of global markets and free trade, filling a vacuum left by retreating Western capitalist democracies, China is quickly becoming a (if not the) global leader in intellectual property protection and enforcement. And there too, just as Western democracies (especially the United States) have grown increasingly skeptical of the value of intellectual property and have weakened protection and enforcement, China has been steadily advancing its own intellectual property system and the protected assets of its companies and citizens.

A few surprising facts:

  • Chinese companies and innovators filed more than
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    , more than one-third the total number of patents filed globally and roughly double the number filed by innovators in the United States.
  • China’s various courts accepted an astounding
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    (6 percent growth over the prior year), including more than 11,000 patent cases. By comparison, the number of
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    (down from the high-water mark of 6,114 in 2013), where U.S. IP-related litigations as a whole totaled around 14,500 cases (including about 5,000 copyright and about 3,500 trademark actions). In other words, total litigations filed in the U.S. are only about 13 percent of the total filed in China.
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    between non-Chinese companies. Why? Litigants feel they are treated fairly. Reports indicated that in 2015,
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    . And even foreign plaintiffs suing Chinese companies
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    , roughly the same as domestic Chinese plaintiffs.
Stereotypes die hard. China has long been seen as the land of copycats, with open market bins of bootleg DVDs, counterfeit fashion and blatant technology infringement. But Silicon Valley and the new administration ignore the changing landscape in China to their peril.

While China continues to have significant problems of IP theft (industrial espionage, counterfeited goods and services, trademark squatting, etc.), its leadership and government agencies have made concerted efforts to propel their intellectual property systems into the 21st century.

Companies with long-term vision must place bets accordingly.
In 2014, China began
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. For some time, China’s People’s High Court (itself with a surprising 340 judges) has had divisions especially focused on IP issues. And although China’s patent laws are only about 30 years old, last year China
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to its IP laws, increasing statutory damages five-fold (to 5 million RMB, or US $727,000) and expanding a number of patent and enforcement provisions.


Indeed, given legislative amendments and administrative and judicial decisions, some
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that it is easier to protect cutting-edge software, business-method and biotechnical inventions in China than the United States.

Bottom line: China is becoming an IP powerhouse in every sense of the word.

Those of us who’ve met with China’s intellectual property policymakers, judges, administrators and enforcers over the last few years have been struck with the coordinated seriousness of their actions and efforts. International pressure, but more importantly domestic demand from Chinese companies, has driven this furious pace of change.

Leading Chinese companies, like Alibaba, Xiaomi, Huawei and HTC have sophisticated IP business departments focused on protecting their own advanced research and development. China’s journey from piracy to protection models the journeys of other Western and Asian countries. While building its industrial economies, the U.S. and major European powers violated IP laws with no consideration. As reported by the Guardian, Doron Ben-Atar, a history professor at Fordham University, has noted that “
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.” It took Western economies a hundred or more years to change that behavior. China’s mind-whipping change is happening over decades, not centuries.

So what are U.S. and other non-Chinese firms to make of all this? Any company focused on global expansion must factor China, vying with India for the largest domestic market, into its strategies. (And that’s all Valley companies. It’s said that every company is a global concern; they just don’t know it yet.) China will be a key market for products or services and a source of manufacturing and design. More importantly, it may nurture your competitors. This makes a focus on IP critical as never before.

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Protecting your valuable brands and innovations, through trademarks and patent applications in China, can’t wait on the back burner. Protection strategies can no longer be “check-the-box” or “nice-to-have” approaches. Companies must focus IP protection in China strategically, making it a centerpiece of a global approach, not an afterthought.

Yes, this takes focus, time and resources. But long-term thinking must become short-term thinking. Intellectual assets are long-term assets: patents last 20 years from filing; trademarks and copyrights far longer.

China today is light years from the China of the 1990s. Given China’s determination to advance its IP systems and stature, China may well eclipse U.S. and Europe as the global center for intellectual property in just a few decades. Companies with long-term vision must place bets accordingly.
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IIRC, it was from a different source on the High Qing Period, but it's been a long time. My point is more that a culture of polite lying may save some feelings in the short-run, but it'll lead to Lu Xun parodying you with Ah Q in the long-run. The comments I've appreciated most from your sector tend to be arguments critical of Chinese culture (in the soft way, not in the Bo Yang Ugly Chinaman way).

This source is perhaps apocryphal or just plain wrong, but I think it shows a positive attitude.

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You know why, making it a war, because after the war, a lot of problems were exposed, and China never elaborated on the military victory or success, Success is always something westerners and Vietnamese talk about. Not the Chinese. What we came home to study was the problems we had during the war. When the war was over, many of the reconnaissance men were sent to the military schools to study and we spoke to them. I was there and spoke with them, and they were on the battlefield, and they were encouraged to report all that they witnessed, thee weak points of the military. The Chinese military was very smart on that. Everyone was talking about the lessons we learned. In what way we need to improve ourselves.
 

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IIRC, it was from a different source on the High Qing Period, but it's been a long time. My point is more that a culture of polite lying may save some feelings in the short-run, but it'll lead to Lu Xun parodying you with Ah Q in the long-run. The comments I've appreciated most from your sector tend to be arguments critical of Chinese culture (in the soft way, not in the Bo Yang Ugly Chinaman way).

This source is perhaps apocryphal or just plain wrong, but I think it shows a positive attitude.

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So it's like an AAR (After Actions Review), no big deal, ALL military strategist, historians, and officers studied this method before. It's the public that's the problem on reporting them, because otherwise those AAR doesn't serve their purpose for a reporters point of view.o_O
 

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Check out this excerpt from Giles and "The Chinese Times". While definitely a racist product of its time, I think it does speak correctly about Confucian cultures of courtesy, or what's increasingly becoming an American culture of group-think and sacrosanct sanctimoniousness in the West.

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So the author takes issue with some Chinese circulating rumours that foreigners eat babies, and decides to label the entire Chinese culture as a "lying culture"?

There is no credibility here.

IIRC, it was from a different source on the High Qing Period, but it's been a long time. My point is more that a culture of polite lying may save some feelings in the short-run, but it'll lead to Lu Xun parodying you with Ah Q in the long-run. The comments I've appreciated most from your sector tend to be arguments critical of Chinese culture (in the soft way, not in the Bo Yang Ugly Chinaman way).

This source is perhaps apocryphal or just plain wrong, but I think it shows a positive attitude.

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Sorry, but I still don't see it. "Polite lying", as you say, exists in every culture where civil etiquette is valued. What do you say when your wife asks if a dress makes her look fat? Does that make you a liar?

In order to argue for your thesis, you would have to demonstrate a behavior of lying that is unique to Chinese or Confucian cultures. Otherwise, you're just arguing that Chinese are human.
 

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Note also that when Lu Xun wrote Ah Q, he wrote it as a critique of the corrupt social and moral fabric of China then. Those were not the glory days of China, it was a time of rampant corruption, misery, exploitation, colonialism, and warfare. The Qing dynasty had just been toppled, and the nation was ruled by warlords. Such a breakdown of society has happened to every civilization in history.

Chinese culture in fact places great value on honesty and integrity. 君子一言驷马难追 is the best example of how much the Chinese value keeping their word.
 
this is interesting:
April 11 in
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a ceremony took place of sending the first direct freight train which will run for fifteen (15) days to
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(in Chinese:
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which is a place close to Moscow, some eleven thousand kilometers from Guandong ... the source
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says the time will be cut by about one month and a half as compared to shipping
 

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Ha.

The Governor of She said to Confucius, 'In our village we have an example of a straight person. When the father stole a sheep, the son gave evidence against him.' Confucius answered, 'In our village those who are straight are quite different. Fathers cover up for their sons, and sons cover up for their fathers. in such behaviour is straightness to be found as a matter of course.'

About lying, etc, we can point to the change in South Korean aircraft culture. Inferiors were expected to be deferential to superiors, so when they realized the pilot had made a dangerous error, no one in the cockpit was willing to directly criticize their superior, resulting in many fatal aircraft crashes. The Koreans remedied the problem by switching operations languages; by moving to English, and thus an American-style low power distance phenomenon, safety dramatically improved.
 

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Ha.
About lying, etc, we can point to the change in South Korean aircraft culture. Inferiors were expected to be deferential to superiors, so when they realized the pilot had made a dangerous error, no one in the cockpit was willing to directly criticize their superior, resulting in many fatal aircraft crashes. The Koreans remedied the problem by switching operations languages; by moving to English, and thus an American-style low power distance phenomenon, safety dramatically improved.

What you are describing is simply priority of values. Every culture will lie if the perceived social benefit outweighs the risks. There is no better example of lying in western culture than advertising. In fact, in the west, people are expected and encouraged to exaggerate their qualities and conceal their flaws.

In Confucian culture, filial piety is the most important virtue. Therefore, under certain circumstances, it is better to lie than to go against filial piety. Honesty for the sake of honesty is not a virtue in most cultures.
 
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