Chinese Economics Thread
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PiSigma
"the engineer"
How is talking about lake biwa related to Chinese economics?
Either way, most of Japan is fairly well cleaned up of whatever pollution was left from the past decades. China is started to follow in Japan's footsteps in cleaning up her industries. So obviously there are learnings that Japan's experience can teach China.
The current Chinese rivers and lakes are fairly polluted, it is not as bad as some press like to make it, but still pretty crap. But if the lake/river is used for food production or tourism, more attention is paid to it. What the Chinese government needs to do is to encourage education of its fishermen and aquaculture farmers to pay attention to the ecosystem and teach them that it is in their benefit in the long run to have less pollution.
Either way, most of Japan is fairly well cleaned up of whatever pollution was left from the past decades. China is started to follow in Japan's footsteps in cleaning up her industries. So obviously there are learnings that Japan's experience can teach China.
The current Chinese rivers and lakes are fairly polluted, it is not as bad as some press like to make it, but still pretty crap. But if the lake/river is used for food production or tourism, more attention is paid to it. What the Chinese government needs to do is to encourage education of its fishermen and aquaculture farmers to pay attention to the ecosystem and teach them that it is in their benefit in the long run to have less pollution.
broadsword
Brigadier
It is the result of SB pouring scorn on all things Chinese in this thread and we have to return in kind. That is his history. Without the mod stopping his trolling, and us standing with folded arms, he will run and ruin this thread.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
I know what SB does. Just ignore trolls and don't feed them.
He occasionally have decent posts, as long as it is not China, Japan, or technical research required.
broadsword
Brigadier
You can't ignore in all cases. That is how we roll.
In general, don't attack Japan in front of SamuraiBlue, and I shouldn't have brought up Biwa. My point is not to relate an exact equivalency; most Chinese are impressed by social ethics in Japan, but to note that the concept of China as highly polluted is only true in parts. What about Kunming? Lhasa? Urumqi?
TBH, the real reason I think the Japanese dislike the Chinese is because the Chinese have their baby pictures. The oldest historical mention of Japan is in Chinese histories, and they're not very flattering. What is intrinsically notable about Japan is how far they've come; during the Tang dynasty the Japanese relief fleet for Baekje was thrashed by combined Silla-Tang forces. During the Imjin Waeran, the Ming forces were not decisively superior against the Japanese, and without the intervention of Yi Sun-Shin the Ming would have been unable to prevail in a renewed war. And during the early part of the 20th century, if the Japanese had chosen a gradual policy of imperialism, as the Manchus had done so, they might have been able to gobble up China.
That said, SamuraiBlue: Here's a strange example from Chinese history. During the High Qing period, the Chinese had a similar status in the Western world as Japan does now; Voltaire used the Manchu monarchy as an example of enlightened rule, as opposed to the despotisms of Europe, and Chinoiserie was in vogue. Yet Western observers, while praising much of China, found issue with the incessant Chinese habit of courteous lying, not unlike the Japanese obsession with harmony. I would trace part of China's civilizational decline to this lying; the inability to identify and rectify cultural and societal issues made China unable to adapt to its own decline and the challenge posed by the Western powers and Japan.
I hope you get what I'm implying, right? I know that Chinese can be extremely critical of their own society in their own groupings, but when attacked by an outsider, as we are doing to you now, they tend to become rigid and defend their society. From what I've seen, Japanese can be critical of, say, Abe (Ahonomics, for instance), but will keep up appearances in front of outsiders.
TBH, the real reason I think the Japanese dislike the Chinese is because the Chinese have their baby pictures. The oldest historical mention of Japan is in Chinese histories, and they're not very flattering. What is intrinsically notable about Japan is how far they've come; during the Tang dynasty the Japanese relief fleet for Baekje was thrashed by combined Silla-Tang forces. During the Imjin Waeran, the Ming forces were not decisively superior against the Japanese, and without the intervention of Yi Sun-Shin the Ming would have been unable to prevail in a renewed war. And during the early part of the 20th century, if the Japanese had chosen a gradual policy of imperialism, as the Manchus had done so, they might have been able to gobble up China.
That said, SamuraiBlue: Here's a strange example from Chinese history. During the High Qing period, the Chinese had a similar status in the Western world as Japan does now; Voltaire used the Manchu monarchy as an example of enlightened rule, as opposed to the despotisms of Europe, and Chinoiserie was in vogue. Yet Western observers, while praising much of China, found issue with the incessant Chinese habit of courteous lying, not unlike the Japanese obsession with harmony. I would trace part of China's civilizational decline to this lying; the inability to identify and rectify cultural and societal issues made China unable to adapt to its own decline and the challenge posed by the Western powers and Japan.
I hope you get what I'm implying, right? I know that Chinese can be extremely critical of their own society in their own groupings, but when attacked by an outsider, as we are doing to you now, they tend to become rigid and defend their society. From what I've seen, Japanese can be critical of, say, Abe (Ahonomics, for instance), but will keep up appearances in front of outsiders.
solarz
Brigadier
Can you give an example of this "courteous lying? Because I don't see it.
broadsword
Brigadier
Sauce for the goose. He has been doing that against China right here in this China Economics thread.
But since this forum is run by Americans, he has been given a fair go. He would not stand a chance in .
If he wants to troll and trash talk, we have the right to defend while those who want to stand up for him are still entitled to click on the "Report" link. Otherwise, just subscribe to the Fifth.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
What are you trying to accomplish here? Cus it's not gonna work. You can't talk Gordon Chang into writing unbiased articles and you can't talk terrorists into being regular civilians or they'd just throw pamphlets, not bombs at ISIS. Nobody here wants to talk about Japan; this is a big country's discussion, China, USA, Russia sometimes, etc... Adults only. You must be this tall to ride. But when SadBlue crashes in here like bird with Down Syndrome through a window with his jealous rants, it's open season.