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Drought-hit China to divert waters from two longest rivers: report

Water from the Yangtze River, the country's longest, will be diverted to the northern areas of eastern Jiangsu Province.
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Beijing (AFP) Feb 8, 2009
China will divert water from its two longest rivers to help farmers hit by the country's worst drought in decades, state media said Sunday.

Water from the Yangtze River, the country's longest, will be diverted to the northern areas of eastern Jiangsu Province, the Xinhua news agency reported, citing Zhang Zhitong, a senior Ministry of Water Resources emergency official.

The announcement came after Beijing last week raised its drought emergency to the highest level for the first time and sent relief supplies and technical specialists to eight major drought-hit regions.

Floodgates will also be opened in Inner Mongolia along the Yellow River, the country's second longest river, to increase water supply for central Henan and eastern Shandong provinces, Zhang according to the report.

China has released more than five billion cubic meters (177 cubic feet) of water from the Yellow River to fight the drought that has hit most of its north since November, Xinhua said.

The drought is also affecting central and southwestern rice-growing provinces.

More than 4.3 million people and 2.1 million head of livestock are short of water, the relief headquarters said this week, as parts of the nation experience their worst drought since the early 1950s.

About 43 percent of the country's winter wheat supplies are at risk, as some areas have seen no rain for 100 days or more, state media said previously.

The dry spell highlights one of China's main long-term worries, as water resources are being rapidly depleted due to the country's fast economic growth.

The capital, Beijing, is particularly badly hit, with experts warning the city of 17 million people will soon face water shortages.
 

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Laid-off China migrants seek Plan B

Migrant worker Zhong Yan. Image courtesy of Peter Parks and AFP.
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Zhugao, China (AFP) Feb 8, 2009
When migrant worker Zhong Yan lost her job in southern China amid the implosion of the country's manufacturing sector, she wasted no time coming up with a Plan B.

Zhong, 26, returned home to rural Sichuan province in December and plunged into China's now perilous business waters, opening a small clothing shop with her savings and a new government credit line for peasant businesses.

"My hope is that business will be good enough to eventually expand. But if I can just support my self, that's good enough," said Zhong, who was laid off in November after eight years with an embroidery company in Guangdong province.

As China confronts the reality of millions of job lost due to the world economic downturn, the success or failure of people like Zhong could determine whether the country can avoid a full-blown economic and social crisis.

The government is frantically pulling an array of policy levers, including new business loans and a massive retraining push, in a bid to keep people earning money.

Zhong utilised a 5,000-yuan (730-dollar) government credit line and 20,000 yuan of her savings to open her Cool Lulu fashion store here in Zhugao, a poor Sichuan farming town.

But merely keeping the store open in a poor town dependent on remittances from migrants will be tough.

At least 20 million migrant workers have been left jobless due to the economic crisis, the government said last week as it warned of possible social unrest.

Sichuan is a major source of China's estimated 130 million migrant workers. But with the well-trodden path to distant factories on the coast a dead end for many, they are seeking other ways to survive.

Some hold out hope that new jobs closer to home will be created by a 586-billion-dollar stimulus plan focused on infrastructure development announced in November.

In Sichuan, many expect work on reconstruction from last May's devastating earthquake.

In the provincial capital of Chengdu 90 minutes' drive from Zhugao, authorities are handing out 11 million dollars to various organisations that can provide free skills training to jobless peasants, many of them illiterate.

Former migrant Ma Jingmei's family lost a vital lifeline when her husband recently lost his job outside Sichuan.

She is now one of an increasing number of jobless migrants on a free one-month course to become a nanny.

Run by a Chengdu maternity services provider, the hardy peasant women are taught to forget the rough upbringing of the villages and instructed in the finer points of subjects like baby massage.

"The head is most important, it will make the baby smarter," an instructor asserts as Ma, 36, and her bemused fellow students massage baby dolls on desks in a classroom.

Forsaking a now-fruitless search for work on the other side of China, Ma hopes for a job near Chengdu as a nanny that will pay between 1,000 and 3,000 yuan per month to help support her family in Dayi, a farming village in Sichuan's countryside.

"The impact of the crisis has been huge. With no definite breadwinner now we can't support our children and parents, especially as our parents get older and have more health problems," she said.

"I have to find some way to make money or we can't subsist."

Helping migrants land on their feet in poor rural areas is one of the biggest challenges China's leaders face in years.

But China will need to do much more than it has, said Stephen Green, chief of China research at Standard Chartered Bank.

Noting that most migrants lack a sufficient social safety net, he expressed hope the government would greatly increase social welfare spending in the central budget put to the legislature next month.

"But with the steps China has taken so far, there is no way they can replace jobs on the scale that they are being lost," he said.

Nevertheless, Xia Wanzhong saw today's troubles as a blessing as he strolled a chilly Zhugao street with his tightly bundled daughter Lei Lei, four, to buy vegetables.

Xia, 32, toiled eight years in a southern China factory until it folded last year, seeing Lei Lei a total of 12 weeks in her whole life.

"If I can find work in Chengdu, I could see her every month. We will find a way," he said with a smile.

Surely reconstruction work in Sichuan has already begun?
 

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the ideal case for China is to have the laid off migrant workers to just go back to their lands and farm til there is job in the cities again...but THERE IS A DROUGHT. lol i wonder how they are gonna deal with this now. but it prolly wouldnt be that bad though...there are about 20million layoffs right now, back in 98 when China was restructuring its economy unemployment peaked at 30million. so there is still room for more than 10million
 

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I understand it can be rather foolish for a countrys central/reserve bank to try and prop up ones currency if the currency traders are against you eg Soros and the Bank of England.
Even in little old NZ. In 1987 Andy Krieger , who was a currency trader at Bankers Trust took a short position against the NZ Dollar worth hundreds of millions. His sell orders were said to have exceeded the money supply of NZ. IT was rumoured that the Govt had to ask Bankers Trust to get Kreiger to back off.
How one could cope with Chinas reserves is another question?

Most of the countries affected in the 1997 financial crisis are now better prepared to handle the menace of any potential rogue money traders. Their current currency values is still much cheaper than that of the pre-crisis era and this has directly contributed to their larger holding of foreign reserves by way of trade surpluses in their favour.

The money traders made tons of money during the crisis at the expense of the mostly developing countries then but , in the longer term, are actually doing a disservice to their own countrys' economy. It's only now that you hear of these countries complaining of their currency values are a wee bit too high. It's ironic the role of the 1997 financial crisis is not much discussed today but, instead, you now hear of accusation of currency manipulation!
 

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China gets the $1.77 billion rail project in Mecca

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China is to sign a deal with Saudi Arabia to build a light rail system in Mecca to help transport millions of pilgrims, a senior diplomat said.

Yang Honglin, Chinese ambassador to Saudi Arabia, told China Daily the deal will be signed "soon" but he didn't confirm whether it would be done during President Hu Jintao's three-day visit to the country, which started yesterday.

"China Railway Construction Corporation (CRCC) is now talking with the Saudi Arabian authorities about the deal," Yang said.

CRCC, along with a Saudi Arabian company and a French transport company, will finish the project in 2013, International Islamic News Agency reported.

A source with the Foreign Ministry said CRCC's deal is worth $1.77 billion. But the company yesterday refused to confirm that figure.

With a speed of 360 km p h the rail line will be able to take pilgrims from Mecca to Medina, the two holiest sites in Islam, in just half an hour, it said.

It will be able to "rapidly evacuate the crowd at the peak of the Hajj pilgrimage", Yang said.

According to Yang, Saudi Arabia entrusted the Chinese government to designate a Chinese enterprise for the project last month. It was the first inter-governmental project between the two countries after they agreed to consolidate cooperation on infrastructure construction last summer.

Saudi media reported last October that their government intended to invest $5.3 billion in five light rail systems linking key locations of the annual Hajj pilgrimage in west Saudi Arabia, including Mecca, Mina and the Hill of Arafat.

The lines will reportedly be able to carry 5 million pilgrims.

Visit of cooperation

Hu's ongoing visit to the country is his second in three years and is the first trip overseas he has made this year.

"This reflects that the Chinese leadership highly values the strategic friendly relations with Saudi Arabia," Yang said.

It was reported China Petroleum & Chemical Corp, Asia's biggest oil processor, and Saudi Aramco, the world's largest oil exporter, may sign crude supply and refinery service accords during Hu's visit.

Saudi Arabia has been the largest overseas supplier of crude oil to China.
 

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Cripes this is so embarrassing...

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Mandarin Oriental Hotel Burns

The burning shell of an unfinished, 44-story luxury hotel lit the night sky over downtown Beijing on Monday after being showered with sparks from fireworks set off during China's biggest holiday.

The hotel and the television tower were designed by Netherlands architects Rem Koolhaas and Ole Scheeren for the firm OMA. Both were nearing the end of construction.

The north wing building of the new CCTV tower appeared to be on fire, in downtown Beijing, China, Monday, February 9, 2009. Police have conducted traffic control around the scene (YouTube).
 

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Chinese leaders: Spend, spend, spend!

SHANGHAI, Feb 18 (AFP) Feb 18, 2009
Across China, communist party officials are handing out millions of food, shopping, and cinema coupons in an effort to get people to go out, have a good time and spend, spend spend.
Chinese people are among the world's most determined savers, with economists estimating they put away 30 to 40 percent of their disposable income, but a virtue can be an obstacle when trying to jump-start the economy.

So while multi-billion-dollar spending programmes on infrastructure projects and interest rate cuts have stolen the headlines in China in recent months, the humble coupon has quietly emerged as another popular stimulus weapon.

Chengdu, the capital of quake-hit Sichuan province, was one of the early coupon pioneers, giving more than 379,000 low-income residents nearly 39 million yuan worth of vouchers in December.

The eastern city of Hangzhou also last month gave 670,000 low-income residents 100 million yuan (14.6 million dollars) in vouchers to spend in shops and entertainment centres.

"The principle of putting money in people's pockets has been applied literally," Jing Ulrich, JP Morgan's head of China equities mused in a research note.

"Consumption coupons could become more common as an alternative to income tax cuts -- which might only encourage greater savings," she wrote.

Poor families and retired people in Hangzhou were given ten 20-yuan coupons to spend in shopping centres while students received five 20-yuan coupons. They were encouraged to use them within three months, after which point they can be used, but at fewer stores.

Some businesses offered extra discounts to draw in coupon users. Cinemas, for instance, were offering half price tickets for coupon users.

Hangzhou -- famous for the scenic views of its West Lake -- is also giving residents in neighbouring provinces and cities, including Shanghai, 40 million yuan worth of coupons to spend at its hotels, resorts and restaurants.

The Hangzhou government is even considering paying its employees up to a tenth of their salaries in coupons, according to the government's website.

The efforts to boost consumption come as the global financial crisis has hammered consumer confidence in China down to its lowest level in six years.

A confidence index compiled by China-based research group Horizon stood at 59.9 at the end of 2008, a decline of 4.5 points from September, state media reported.

The last time it sank that low was after the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, in 2003.

It is too soon to gauge the coupons' impact. The latest retail sales figures show 290 billion yuan (42.4 billion dollars) was spent nationwide during the week-long Lunar New Year holiday.

That was up 13.8 percent from the same period last year, but growth had slowed down from 16 percent in 2008.

Coupons can only be effective for a short time, cautioned Shi Jianxun, an economist with Shanghai's Tongji University.

"After cash coupons are given out, you have a one-off stimulus. As people use up coupons, you have to give out more each month to sustain the boosting effect," he said.

For a lasting solution, China has to resolve imbalances that have led to urban incomes growing on average at a third of the rate of government revenues, with rural incomes lagging even further behind, Shi said.

A woefully inadequate social safety net, meaning people especially in rural areas have to save as much as they can to pay for life in their old age and health care, is one of the big problems.

"China should revamp its national income structure and change the situation of 'rich nation poor citizens' by collecting less taxes and improving social security," Shi said. "Then people would not have save so much."





All rights reserved. © 2005 Agence France-Presse.


This is an interesting idea to get the savings oriented Chinese to spend money. It's sort of like a subsidy for consumers. I wonder if this can be implemented in a sort of permanent way so that the government could actually spur on the domestic economy.
 

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Taiwan, China Negotiating a Landmark Free-Trade Agreement

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BEIJING, Feb. 20 -- Taiwan and China are negotiating a wide-ranging free-trade agreement that represents an important step toward the possibility of unification of the longtime adversaries.

The Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement would allow the free flow of goods, services and capital across the Taiwan Strait at a time when the economies of the mainland and the democratic self-ruled island are increasingly interdependent. While Taiwanese groups have tried to play down the political implications of the economic pact, those on the mainland are already talking about the eventual union of the two.

Li Fei, deputy director of the Taiwan Studies Center at Xiamen University on the mainland, said the agreement would be a significant milestone in gradually warming relations between the antagonists. "It's a start toward full cross-strait economic integration and a necessary condition for marching forward toward final unification," Li said.

Taiwan and China have been governed separately since 1949, when Nationalist forces fled the communist takeover. China insists that Taiwan has and always will be an inseparable extension of the mainland, while Taiwan has maintained that it is a self-governing democracy.
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The United States, under the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act, has pledged to defend the island if China launches a military attack, but the nature of that commitment is vague. The U.S. sale of military equipment to Taiwan has long angered China, which has more than 1,000 missiles pointed toward the island. Analysts are paying careful attention to Chinese statements and maneuvers that involve the missile program for indications of a genuine easing of tensions.

Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou took office in May on a platform of improved relations with China, which was a turnabout from his predecessor, Chen Shui-bian, a strong backer of Taiwan's independence who routinely provoked China and irritated the United States.

Ma quickly delivered on his campaign promises: beginning regularly scheduled direct flights for passengers, shipments and mail between China and Taiwan and committing to high-level talks with counterparts on the mainland every six months. Although many business and industry groups in Taiwan have enthusiastically backed Ma's approach, it has drawn passionate criticism from opposition parties and some scholars.

Kenneth Lin, an economics professor at National Taiwan University, said the agreement would be tantamount to "de facto unification" despite its name. Hong Tsai-lung, an associate research fellow at the Taiwan Institute of Economic Research, describes the agreement as "a rose with thorns" that "will deepen Taiwan's dependence on China."

In an interview with the Taipei Times published Friday, Ma seemed to imply that the agreement is a certainty, but he hesitated to respond directly to questions about whether signing it would be tantamount to acknowledging that Taiwan belongs to China.

"As to how the international community perceives the issue, it depends on the stances of different countries," Ma said. "Some countries agree with us, and our allies won't think Taiwan becomes part of communist China when it signs an agreement."

Pressed by the reporter, Ma responded: "We will take economic measures to solve economic problems with less politics and ideology. So far we have not seen any attempts by communist China to force Taiwan to do things we cannot accept, and we wouldn't have to accept it if they did so."

While Ma and other officials have spoken in recent days as if the agreement is a done deal, Hsu Chun-fang, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Foreign Trade in Taiwan's Ministry of Economic Affairs, was more cautious in a telephone interview.

"It's hard to say when it will come out. Currently, there are a lot of opposing voices in Taiwan. Since Taiwan is a democratic and free country, the government cannot step further before people making consensus," Hsu said.

Despite the political antagonism between Taiwan and China, their economies have become increasingly entwined over the years, and until recently, most of the money flowed to the mainland. Taiwanese businesses now own large numbers of factories in China's manufacturing centers. Until Ma's more relaxed regulations, people were sometimes forced to take elaborate measures to conduct business across the strait. For example, a traveler could not fly directly from Shanghai to Taipei, a flight of a little more than an hour. Instead, travelers had to switch planes in Hong Kong, doubling their travel time.

But with Taiwan's economy in recession -- its gross domestic product shrank a record 8.36 percent in the last quarter of 2008 -- Ma's administration is hoping that investment from the mainland may provide a boost. In addition, with China set to begin a free-trade agreement with the 10 members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in 2010, Taiwan is under pressure not to be left out.

"Taiwan needs the help of the mainland," said Sun Shengliang, director of the economic studies center of the Institute of Taiwan Studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. "If the agreement can be signed, it will bring bigger benefit to Taiwan than to the mainland."
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Tsai Lien-sheng, secretary general of the Chinese National Federation of Industries, a trade group in Taiwan, said that if Taiwan does not sign a free-trade agreement with the mainland, "we are going to be marginalized." Although Taiwan and China in recent years dropped most discriminatory tariffs on each other's exports, industry groups believe that eliminating such barriers entirely would be in the best interest of both, especially since China has already signed similar agreements with Taiwan's neighbors and competitors in Asia.

"We cannot compete with paying a much higher duty when other countries have agreed to much lower or zero duties," Tsai said. "The exports of Taiwan will be harmed severely, and foreign capital will be less interested in investing in Taiwan."

Hsieh Jun-hsiung, executive manager of the Petrochemical Industry Association of Taiwan, pointed out that Taiwan now sells about half its petrochemical products to the mainland. China imposes a tariff of about 6.5 percent on imports of petrochemical products from Taiwan and a 6 percent tariff on those from South Korea. But South Korea's tariff will soon be eliminated, putting Taiwanese s companies at a disadvantage.

"The sooner, the better. We just sent an urgent letter to the government to push them to do it quicker," Hsieh said. "Our requirement is quite simple: Right now our treatment is unequal compared with other countries. We need equal treatment. If Taiwan keeps the status quo on this, about half of our products will be unsellable soon."
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China, taking advantage of global recession, goes on a buying spree
China's government is bargain-hunting internationally as the financial crisis pushes down prices of energy resources and assets.
By Peter Ford | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

Beijing - General Motors is doing it. The world's second-largest mining group is doing it. Russia, Brazil and Venezuela are doing it. And China is loving it.

Squeezed between falling profits and the credit crunch, a growing number of troubled corporations and countries are turning to cash-rich China for a bailout. And with foreign assets cheaper than they have been for years, Beijing is going on an international spending spree.

"The international financial crisis ... is equally a challenge and an opportunity," China's energy czar, Zhang Guobao, wrote recently in the official newspaper People's Daily. "The slowdown ... has reduced the price of international energy resources and assets and favors our search for overseas resources."

So far, the government has concentrated on natural-resource deals, securing supplies of oil and minerals in return for large amounts of cash. But private Chinese firms are also taking advantage of the crisis in other sectors: Diesel-engine giant Weichai Power is expected to buy a French plant that GM is selling off in its struggle to survive.

Though the Chinese economy has also been hit by the crisis, cutting growth by almost half, "what sets China apart is that Chinese banks have not been so badly hurt, and the policy banks still seem ready to lend" in support of key government objectives, says Erika Downs, a China energy specialist at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

The China Development Bank, for example, is financing China's biggest-ever foreign investment – a $19.5 billion bid by the mostly state-owned Aluminum Corp. of China for an 18 percent slice of Rio Tinto. The Australian mining company desperately needs the cash in order to pay off $19 billion in debt over the next two years.

That deal, still to be approved by Australian regulators, is seen here as a pathfinder. "It illustrates Chinese state business's strong capacity ... and gathered experience for state-owned firms to operate abroad in the future," explained an article published earlier this month in People's Daily.

Other recent multibillion-dollar deals include the purchase by China Petrochemical Corp., the country's second-largest oil producer, of Canada's Tanganyika Oil, which works in Syria, and the bid that China Minmetals has made for OZ Minerals, an Australian zinc producer on the verge of bankruptcy.

"The amount of money coming out of Beijing suggests they are confident that we are at the bottom of the market," says Paul Cavey, an analyst with Macquarie Bank. And with China's trade surplus still wide, since imports have fallen even faster than exports, "they still have a lot of money to play with," he adds.

Last week the Chinese government sank $39 billion of that money in three separate deals to secure future oil supplies from Russia, Brazil, and Venezuela.

A $25 billion loan to Russia, whose economy is reeling from plummeting oil prices, won a promise to supply 290,000 barrels per day for the next quarter-century and to build a pipeline into China.

"The slowdown in the Russian economy, declining crude prices, and production and the credit crunch have lent the Chinese far better bargaining power," wrote Gordon Kwan, head of China energy research at CLSA brokerage, in a research note last week.

A $10 billion loan to Brazil, announced during a visit to the country by Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping, secured a similar pledge to provide up to 160,000 barrels of crude a day, while Mr. Xi also signed a deal with Venezuela for up to 1 million barrels per day by 2015 in return for another $4 billion from China to top up an existing development fund.

"More than anything else, China always wants security of resources going into the future," says Mr. Cavey. The crisis, and falling asset prices, "open up a significant part of the world," he adds. "China will think of investing pretty much anywhere there are resources, not just the places that other countries don't want to go."

Few expect Beijing to invest in the troubled financial sector, however, despite the hopes some foreign banks have harbored of attracting Chinese money. "Natural resources are so strategic for a country, they can justify investments there, but they can't justify another financial sector deal," says Andy Xie, an independent economist.

China's sovereign wealth fund has lost between half and two-thirds of investments it made over the past two years in Morgan Stanley, Blackstone, and Barclays, Mr. Xie points out.

As China begins to move again on the international scene, taking advantage of low prices, it remains to be seen how much political resistance its bids will provoke.

In 2005, political pressure in Washington forced China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) to withdraw its bid for the US oil firm Unocal, even though the Chinese firm offered more money than its rival, Chevron.

"The situation is so bad that there is a desperation now to get money," says Cavey. "But it will still be a difficult political balance to strike" for the state-owned firms that are expected to be most active abroad.

Especially touchy will be the question of state assistance for Chinese firms, potentially giving them an advantage over Western competitors. The China National Petroleum Corp.'s website last week carried a report on the government's yet-unpublished oil and gas development plan, which suggested such assistance is foreseen.

"China will encourage enterprises to develop the exploration and acquisition of overseas resources and will offer low-interest loans and preferential lending rates for major overseas energy investment projects," the report said.

"With low oil prices, we may see Chinese banks playing a bigger role" in funding acquisitions, says Dr. Downs at Brookings. "And if it is known that Chinese companies are getting money from state banks at low interest rates, we will see concern that this support creates a playing field that is not level."
 
"China should revamp its national income structure and change the situation of 'rich nation poor citizens' by collecting less taxes and improving social security," Shi said. "Then people would not have save so much."

Okay, so they should collect LESS TAXXES so they can SPEND MORE on welfare and social security?

LOL

Wonder why the Senate and House never figured that one out... Oh wait, that is what they've been doing.
 
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