Chinese Economics Thread

[AssassinsMace]

Love how basic human rights are dumped for one's own convenience. In a US court of law, lack of evidence means you don't have a case. Who's the communist now?

 

[Blitzo]

If are asking for evidence but if evidence are difficult to come by because they are typically repressed or supressed then your point is borderline rhetorical in nature.

I am saying that statements should be backed up by solid premises with the support of evidence.

Whether such evidence to support one's statement could be attained if govt regulation of the media was present or not is irrelevant to whatever statement one is making if that evidence is still unavailable to support it.

Now, I'm not saying that the lack of evidence means unsupported claims are completely without merit, because one could use logic or other semi-relevant indicators to try and make a claim, but it does mean that those claims would be considered hypotheses or proposals at best.

 

[vincent]

China annually spends more on internal security than on the military. Facts are difficult to come by when journalist working on gathering facts or in publishing them are either imprisoned or kidnapped. Case in point when China recently resorted to kidnapping HK journalist.

If you can't imprison or kidnap them, the state can always resort to coercion.

That is a BS metric. Internal security budget is affect by numerous factors such as population, crime rate, etc. Canada's military's budget is 20B and Toronto's police budget is already 1B with a population of 2M. I'm pretty sure if Canadian population is as high as China's, our internal security bill over military's will be much much higher than the Chicom. A much better metric would be the ratio of police vs population and i think American number is much higher than China's

 

[Hendrik_2000]

China annually spends more on internal security than on the military. Facts are difficult to come by when journalist working on gathering facts or in publishing them are either imprisoned or kidnapped. Case in point when China recently resorted to kidnapping HK journalist.

If you can't imprison or kidnap them, the state can always resort to coercion.

The internal security budget in China include the salary and expenses of police and firemen,National guard(PAP) border police, judges,prisoner guard, etc

So if you include the expenses of all those civil servant in US it will come to same large number.
The western press like to exaggerate any metric to use it as cudgel in order to drive their own propaganda of mean and dictatorial state.

Now to Hongkong Xrated publisher they should die of thousand cut. They are not as innocent as they appear They publish lie, rumor, and making up the sex life story of the China leadership, because sex sell. In any western country they will be sued for libel and defamation. In china it is hard to do without dragging the country in the mud.

They undermine the authority to govern and foment unrest and sedition.
It doesn't really matter whether it is true or not but the damage is already done

Lie repeated thousand time will become truth that is what Goebels said

 

[Brumby]

Now, I'm not saying that the lack of evidence means unsupported claims are completely without merit, because one could use logic or other semi-relevant indicators to try and make a claim, but it does mean that those claims would be considered hypotheses or proposals at best.

Would you care to go back to my initial post #5219 to validate whether any of my statements fall outside of suggestions.

 

[vesicles]

That is the idea of capitalism if the playing field was level. However we are talking about capitalism with Chinese characteristics, aren't we?l

So please enlighten us when the playing field has ever been level, anywhere on this planet?

Also, let's keep in mind that even the CCP members were all dirt poor when they first started all this. Heck, the entire nation was dirt poor at the beginning. So in a sense, the entire nation was self-made.

about the female entrepreneurs. It is truly inspiring. Keep in mind that the CCP has both male and female members. Even assuming they give favors to their members, they certainly don't have to give them to the female members. The fact that China has more female billionaires suggests 2 things: (1) Chinese females (CCP members or not) are more ambitious; (2) Chinese overall environment (CCP or not) is more friendly to career females. The gender equality is indeed inspiring. There is no other way of putting it.

Why don't we congratulate them for a nice job done and wish them all the best?

 

[Brumby]

Now to Hongkong Xrated publisher they should die of thousand cut. They are not as innocent as they appear They publish lie, rumor, and making up the sex life story of the China leadership, because sex sell. In any western country they will be sued for libel and defamation. In china it is hard to do without dragging the country in the mud.

So China resorts to kidnapping and that is your due process?

They undermine the authority to govern and foment unrest and sedition.
It doesn't really matter whether it is true or not but the damage is already done

I thought China was strong and mighty. I didn't realise it was so easy to undermine its authority. Does it mean that the world had been sold a pack of lies?

Lie repeated thousand time will become truth that is what Goebels said

You mean the CCP propaganda machine doesn't subscribe to this or they have taken it to the next level? Which one is it?

 

[Equation]

So please enlighten us when the playing field has ever been level, anywhere on this planet?

Also, let's keep in mind that even the CCP members were all dirt poor when they first started all this. Heck, the entire nation was dirt poor at the beginning. So in a sense, the entire nation was self-made.

about the female entrepreneurs. It is truly inspiring. Keep in mind that the CCP has both male and female members. Even assuming they give favors to their members, they certainly don't have to give them to the female members. The fact that China has more female billionaires suggests 2 things: (1) Chinese females (CCP members or not) are more ambitious; (2) Chinese overall environment (CCP or not) is more friendly to career females. The gender equality is indeed inspiring. There is no other way of putting it.

Why don't we congratulate them for a nice job done and wish them all the best?

Because in Brumpy's case that would hurt his anti CCP agenda. That means his inept government (who ever that may be) could never achieved what the CPC had done in upbringing hundreds of millions out of poverty. That in itself is the greatest achievement in man kinds history and you can bet not many western media would dare congratulate China for that.

 

[Equation]

So China resorts to kidnapping and that is your due process?

What about the many GLBT members being kidnapped by their own families and send out to "straight camp" supported by the Christian religion?

I thought China was strong and mighty. I didn't realise it was so easy to undermine its authority. Does it mean that the world had been sold a pack of lies?

Yes, Communist works! It's the new capitalism, so get over it.

You mean the CCP propaganda machine doesn't subscribe to this or they have taken it to the next level? Which one is it?

You mean Christian Science News and Fox News speaks NOTHING but the truth? I rather trust the CCTV news than these rhetoric hill billies yammering out of their butts.

 

[Brumby]

about the female entrepreneurs. It is truly inspiring. Keep in mind that the CCP has both male and female members. Even assuming they give favors to their members, they certainly don't have to give them to the female members. The fact that China has more female billionaires suggests 2 things: (1) Chinese females (CCP members or not) are more ambitious; (2) Chinese overall environment (CCP or not) is more friendly to career females. The gender equality is indeed inspiring. There is no other way of putting it.

Why don't we congratulate them for a nice job done and wish them all the best?

I agree. Regardless of the circumstance behind their achievements it is nevertheless significant in itself that they are able to seize the opportunities to make good as an outcome. It may be a case that CCP policy values loyalty above everything else including gender. Whilst Chinese are generally economically driven and are hardworking and industrious, what I believe is happening in China is that the economic opportunities are skewed and may not be similarly available to the broader population regardless of gender.