Chinese Economics Thread

SamuraiBlue

Captain
I think that's where the to-be-announced Boeing Finishing Plant (first outside of the US) for the 737 in China would make the difference. It will provide jobs, training and likely service other regional 737 buys outside of China.

Doubt it.
The factory is limited to installing seats, in-flight entertainment systems, and some galleys and lavatories, as well as the custom paint job so basically it's just cosmetic finishing at the Chinese factory to meet demand of individual domestic costumers with no heavy aeronautic related tasks assigned.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Doubt it.
The factory is limited to installing seats, in-flight entertainment systems, and some galleys and lavatories, as well as the custom paint job so basically it's just cosmetic finishing at the Chinese factory to meet demand of individual domestic costumers with no heavy aeronautic related tasks assigned.

Doubt it.

The details of the deal are not yet announced, so I would like to see a source for your claims.

But basic common sense is against your claim.

There would simply be no need or point for a special and separate plant to make such insubstantial and cosmetic finishing touches.

It would simply not make much sense technically or economically to do as you suggest.

With a 300 aircraft and $38bn deal to negotiate with, China would been able to secure far far better terms than what you suggest.

What details that have been released also all point to this being a substantial operation with real work.

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The new center will increase Boeing's production capacity, especially for its famous 737 single aisle aircraft.

This is the first time Boeing will set up an overseas facility to take the Chinese market share. The aircraft giant estimates that it would receive more than 35% orders from the Asian region, which would be entertained by the Chinese plant.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Doubt it.
The factory is limited to installing seats, in-flight entertainment systems, and some galleys and lavatories, as well as the custom paint job so basically it's just cosmetic finishing at the Chinese factory to meet demand of individual domestic costumers with no heavy aeronautic related tasks assigned.

It would be the first kind of factory outside the US ... does it tell you something? or not?
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Doubt it.
The factory is limited to installing seats, in-flight entertainment systems, and some galleys and lavatories, as well as the custom paint job so basically it's just cosmetic finishing at the Chinese factory to meet demand of individual domestic costumers with no heavy aeronautic related tasks assigned.
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In addition to the above work, I foresee more being subcontracted to the Chinese partners going forward. It is all in line with Western companies that have been taking advantage of lower cost manufacturing in China to boost their bottom line. China is already making parts for Boeing that are being shipped to Seattle. By having a plant in China, they will slash cost even further.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Doubt it.

The details of the deal are not yet announced, so I would like to see a source for your claims.

But basic common sense is against your claim.

There would simply be no need or point for a special and separate plant to make such insubstantial and cosmetic finishing touches.

It would simply not make much sense technically or economically to do as you suggest.

With a 300 aircraft and $38bn deal to negotiate with, China would been able to secure far far better terms than what you suggest.

What details that have been released also all point to this being a substantial operation with real work.

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Boeing To Build Its First Offshore Plane Factory In China As Ex-Im Bank Withers

Facing severe pressure from state-subsidized foreign competitors and the end of federal export financing,
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has decided to throw in the towel. After a hundred years of producing its commercial aircraft exclusively in the U.S., the nation’s largest exporter will build its first offshore aircraft plant in China.

The new plant will be a joint venture with a Chinese entity to install interiors and paint exteriors on 737 airliners, Boeing’s popular single-aisle jetliner that competes with the Airbus A320. China’s official Xinhua news agency reported yesterday the company has signed a huge deal for 300 737s with three Chinese companies, besting the record 250-plane deal that Airbus received for its A320 last month from low-cost Indian carrier IndiGo. The news agency report coincided with the visit of Chinese president
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to Seattle, the home base for Boeing’s commercial aircraft operations..... to read more
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What other task do you think it was going to receive?
Boeing was not going to license the entire job and you can't actually transport a semi-built 737 to another location so the plane is going to be flown in on it's own meaning the only job left is what I earlier posted basically installing seats, in-flight entertainment systems, and some galleys and lavatories, as well as the custom paint job.
 
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Blackstone

Brigadier
Here; the new plant will be a joint venture with a Chinese entity to install interiors and paint exteriors on 737 airliners
It's called sugar coated poison; China gets Boeing to commit on very expensive ventures to install interiors and paint exteriors on their jets, but like all large projects, the scope of work will creep over time. In a decade or so, Boeing's factory in China will produce more and more of not only the 737s, but 787s and 7x7s too. Meanwhile, Boeing and Airbus would compete with each other for the China aviation market, and the CCP wouldn't need to do much at all as the two companies offer more and more to China for competitive edges. In the end, Chinese consumers would benefit, as would China's fast growing aviation industry. It's even possible in 20 or 30 years, China's commercial aircraft industry would be as good or better than Boeing and Airbus on technology and processes, plus China would still have enormous manufacturing advantages.
 

Blackstone

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Looks like Gordon Chang forgot to tell Nike China's economy was/is collapsing.

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China is in the midst of a delicate transition from an economy driven by major infrastructure projects to one more influenced by consumer spending, and that transformation is
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. But Thursday’s quarterly earnings report from
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shows that for some companies demand remains more than healthy.

Nike recorded a 30% increase in Greater China sales for the
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, hardly what might be expected in an economy tumbling off a cliff. Greater China sales of $886 million are still just over 10% of Nike’s total $8.4 billion revenue, but were easily its fastest growing segment. (Excluding the effect of the stronger dollar Japan sales grew faster at 35%, but exchange effects knocked that to just 12%).

Profits in Greater China rose 51% to $330 million as the region approaches Western Europe ($1.6 billion and down 4% year-on-year) for the greatest share of Nike profit behind North America, which accounted for $1 billion of the company’s $1.6 billion in profit and grew 7% from the year-earlier period.

On a per-share basis Nike’s earnings of $1.34 blew past the consensus estimate of $1.19. “Fiscal 2016 is off to a great start,” CEO Mark Parker said in the company’s release. The results sent shares surging more than 7% to a record high of $123.92, giving the company a $105 billion market capitalization, and analysts are bullish about the rest of fiscal 2016 with a big moneymaker looming in next summer’s Rio Olympics. Nike has already bucked this year’s market weakness, gaining 30% to the S&P 500′s 6% fall even before Friday’s opening spike.

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Given the backdrop of a scuffling Chinese economy — some critics argue the nation is slipping toward a recession — it isn’t entirely clear whether the country’s consumers are healthier than appears or if certain high-profile brands are simply able to withstand a slowdown better than others. (If the latter is true, Nike’s strong quarter likely bodes well for
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forthcoming iPhone launch in China, when the 6S and 6S Plus go on sale.)

Thursday’s results came against a backdrop that doesn’t seem all that encouraging. E-commerce giant
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has cautioned that the slowdown in China’s economy could restrict its sales volume, a trend that will effect many other consumer-facing companies. It bears asking whether Nike’s solid results are merely the calm before the storm, but company executives expressed confidence on the earnings call.

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“The piece that we continue to look at is the brand in China is extremely strong,” said president of brand Trevor Edwards. “[W]e are very mindful of the economic, macroeconomic volatility in the marketplace.” Even with that volatility Nike feels “very, very good about the business,” he added.

Nike “exceeded expectations on nearly all fronts” in the quarter, accoridng to Jefferies analyst Randall Konik, even in regions “where market fears were greatest given economic turbulence.” That, the analyst wrote “should quell fears about demand health in choppy macro environments.”

Helping Nike is the fact that it’s coming off a significant “reset” of its China business after struggling through much of fiscal 2013 and periods of fiscal 2014. Having completed that effort, the company’s new distribution points and improved merchandise strategies set the company up to withstand any broader weakness. Nomura analyst Robert Drbul projects fiscla 2016 revenue growth of 17% in China and argues “the region has now entered a ‘new normal’ of exceptional brand strength and productivity.

Basketball is of particular importance to Nike’s Chinese opportunity, and the company announced this week that Michael Jordan is traveling to Shanghai next month to commemorate the 30th anniversary of his eponymous franchise (a franchise that
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). During the last quarter, current NBA stars Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Anthony Davis and Paul George appeared at promotional Nike events in China as well.

Nike’s results illustrate the challenge of trying to
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. With 10% sales exposure to China, Nike could certainly land in a bucket of stocks being shunned because of the slowdown there, alongside companies like Yum Brands, or the host of chipmakers that generate a significant portion of their sales in China. Yum for instance, a consumer-facing business that owns Taco Bell and KFC, saw its China same-store sales drop 10% in the June quarter, the most recent for which figures have been reported.

In a recent analyst report, Stifel wrote that “[d]espite macro pressures, demand for athletic/athleisure prevails globally and we anticipate retailers will focus open to buy dollars with winning brands.” That was borne out in Nike’s Q1 report, which recorded solid growth in future orders in most regions. China led the way again, with 22% growth in orders, but North America wasn’t far behind at 14%.

Even the U.S. Federal Reserve is wary of China’s slowdown, making a veiled reference to it in last week’s statement in which it held off on tightening monetary policy. At the ensuing press conference, Fed Chair
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said “heightened concerns about growth in China and other emerging market economies have led to notable volatility in financial markets.

The Dow Jones industrial average has been grappling with both sides of the China question to close out this week. Thursday the index languished thanks in large part to a 6% slide from
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. The heavy equipment maker dropped after
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that will cut 10,000 jobs in order to cut costs in the face of the global downturn in energy and mining. Friday morning the Dow got a lift from Nike’s 7% gain, contributing to opening gains of nearly 200 points.
 

shen

Senior Member
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What other task do you think it was going to receive?
Boeing was not going to license the entire job and you can't actually transport a semi-built 737 to another location so the plane is going to be flown in on it's own meaning the only job left is what I earlier posted basically installing seats, in-flight entertainment systems, and some galleys and lavatories, as well as the custom paint job.

indeed. Boeing is playing catch up. Airbus is already transporting parts and assembling A320s in China. Boeing must do more to stay competitive.

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Zool

Junior Member
Doubt it.
The factory is limited to installing seats, in-flight entertainment systems, and some galleys and lavatories, as well as the custom paint job so basically it's just cosmetic finishing at the Chinese factory to meet demand of individual domestic costumers with no heavy aeronautic related tasks assigned.

You don't think Boeing will use it's Chinese facility for final fitting of other 737 buys in the region outside of the China purchase? Agree to disagree then, but I have a feeling the dollar savings will align to see that indeed be the case.
 
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