The way you guys are talking to each other reminds me of how some Americans talk to each other in their divided country. I don't have strong opinions, and I think the future is much less certain than people tend to believe. So I will shut up on this.
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The thing is that immigration is not zero sum, migrants arrive into a country and rent property, they buy furniture, they get haircuts, they go to restaurants, etc., more migrants can result in more domestic jobs being created.
My main concern is that this job creation isn't evenly distributed through the economy, if you allow a large number of software programmers into your country it will create employment pressure for software development as an industry, although it might create more hair stylists and cooks and contractors who renovate homes that these people are renting. When age discrimination for people over 35 is a serious issue in Chinese STEM industries, creating a visa that makes this issue worse by specifically targetting young foreign STEM workers is an even more puzzling decision.
Hard work and competitiveness aren't always things to be proud of. People in the third world (and Chinese people up until just recently) are willing to work 18 hours a day in a factory but that's a consequence of their poverty. The goal should be to achieve a society where your citizens can ultimately live balanced lives.
We'll know more once the details are released, but this is still a worrying trend. It shows that Chinese leaders aren't immune to the exact same mentality that is wrecking havoc in western societies.
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Eventually, we'd like to get there but now is a critical moment in China's timeline, when we go full steam to dethrone the US. We'll work as hard as we can and do what needs to be done.
No, it really doesn't show that. Wording and implementation are different, as previously discussed.
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I've been thinking about this visa thing for a while and my opinion has shifted to leaning more towards than against it. I was initially surprised by not conditioning it on employment, but on reflection that's a much better way to do it. It prevents Infosys-like companies from transforming the...
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Absolutely not. This thing was thought through over the years and is targeted at hard-core STEM, especially since the trade war and the push towards high tech manufacturing.
People (including some in China) are thinking this is H1B idiocy because of the timing. No it is not.
No code monkey/salary arbitrage like what plagued the US system. In fact, the numbers will still be limited (though larger than Thousand Talents) because the government will pick and choose from the applicants -- not companies gaming the systems.
Before this revision, China’s recognized 12 categories of ordinary visas, covering purposes like . The amendment makes two main changes:
- A New Visa Category — Article 6 now includes: “(6) K visa: issued to foreign young science and technology talent entering China.”
- Application Requirements — Article 7 now specifies: “Applicants for a K visa must meet the conditions and requirements for foreign young science and technology talent stipulated by the relevant Chinese authorities and submit corresponding supporting documents.”
- Graduates in STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) fields from recognized universities or research institutions worldwide, holding at least a bachelor’s degree; or
- Young professionals engaged in relevant education or research work at such institutions.
How the K visa differs from existing options
Compared with existing visa types for work or research, :- More flexibility: No requirement for a Chinese employer or inviter at the application stage.
- Convenience: Potentially more generous terms for entry frequency, validity period, and duration of stay.
- Breadth of permitted activities: Holders can engage in education, research, cultural exchange, entrepreneurship, and business.