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China is expanding its railway system - but at what cost?
China's railway network handled a record 4.08 billion passenger trips in 2024, marking a 10.8 percent increase compared to 2023, and this figure is expected to continue rising in 2025, potentially reaching 4.28 billion trips, according to the company.

China's railways transported a total of 3.99 billion tonnes of cargo last year, up 1.9 percent year on year with a rising streak for eight consecutive years.
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Recording-breaking travel anticipated for the Chinese New Year:
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Wrought

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This is very interesting. While the United Sanctions of America closes commercially, China opens commercially.

Not really, just another example of the well-established pattern.

The dominant economy favors free trade, while the lagging economy favors protectionism. The US was heavily protectionist during the 1800s, for example, when the British were dominant. After WWII, the US became dominant and so obviously pushed for free trade, until recently. Likewise, China was heavily protectionist during much of the same period, until recently. Everyone always acts in their own self-interest.
 

Sinnavuuty

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“China’s PPP GDP is only 25% larger than that of the US? Come on people… who are we kidding? Last year, China generated twice as much electricity as the US, produced 12.6 times as much steel and 22 times as much cement. China’s shipyards accounted for over 50% of the world’s output while US production was negligible. In 2023, China produced 30.2 million vehicles, almost three times more than the 10.6 million made in the US. On the demand side, 26 million vehicles were sold in China last year, 68% more than the 15.5 million sold in the US. Chinese consumers bought 434 million smartphones, three times the 144 million sold in the US. As a country, China consumes twice as much meat and eight times as much seafood as the US. Chinese shoppers spent twice as much on luxury goods as American shoppers.”
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GDP (PPP) per capita currently at US$26k.
 

Wrought

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GDP (PPP) per capita currently at US$26k.

GDP can be calculated with perfect accuracy and still not reflect the reality on the ground. It just means that GDP is not the magical measurement of everything important which many people like to treat it as. A national economy is far too complex to be distilled down to a single "power level" but that doesn't stop smoothbrains from trying.
 

Biscuits

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GDP (PPP) per capita currently at US$26k.
China's gdp is nerfed because they don't have much ultra rich.

As a person gets richer, they become more useful to society, but the relationship between increased wealth and usefulness is logarithmic. Furthermore, a person with networth of many billions do in reality not have that much money. The vast majority of their money is in majority shares in fluctuating assets, which if they tried to take out the money would result in the asset prices dropping like a rock.

The actual metric that judges "economic power" (what a population is capable of achieving economically) is median income normalised for inflation * the population size. China's median income is $46200, while US' is $60700.

Because median income takers are more reflective of people who contribute to society (as a group) than the ultra rich, this stat pretty much explains why China has about 3-5 times the productivity, wealth and innovation of US in most sectors. US actually has a scientific output that outstrips their expected level by a lot, which can be chalked up to having an advantage in international fame.
 
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