Chinese Economics Thread

[Michael90]

Well I live in the former Spanish colony the Philippines, both country had the same system, a legacy of Spain. So I think I know what I'm talk about.

But the Philippines is one of Americas closest ally in Asia and probably the most pro American country in Asia. So i guess that justifies even more the point that these countries will have the West as allies more than China . I think China isn't even trying to pull allies to her side to be honest. China is just focus on business/trade and the Chinese elite/government have a stated policy of non interference in other countries affairs/issues. So in this geopolitical alliy aspect they will always be at a disadvantage compared to the West/US/Russia etc but it favours China when it comes to business and trade since can separate the two since they are a neutral party.
Moreover, those talking about Mexico turning over to China instead of the US is even more silly . No way Mexico can ever even think of alienating the US. They basically have everything to lose and barely anything to gain doing so. If the US place sanctions on Mexico, then the country is basically done for and China can't replace that. So this is a non event. It's quite obvious to see. Even if i was Mexico président thats the last thing i would ever want to do. Its not rational in anyway.

 

[Serb]

But the Philippines is one of Americas closest ally in Asia and probably the most pro American country in Asia. So i guess that justifies even more the point that these countries will have the West as allies more than China . I think China isn't even trying yo pull allies to her side to be honest. China is just focus on business/trade and the Chinese elite/government have a policy of non interference in other countries affairs/issues. So in this geopolitical alliy aspect they will always be at a disadvantage compared to the West/US/Russia etc but it favours China when it comes to business and trade since can separate the two since they are a neutral party.
Moreover those talking about Mexico turning over to China instead of the US is even more silly . No way Mexico can ever even think of alienating the US. They basically have everything to lose and barely anything to gain doing this. If the US place sanctions on them Mexico will be done for and China cant replace that.

The Philippines is not the most pro-American country in Asia, just a few years ago it had a pretty anti-US president.

Unlike Japan which for example had the same pro-US policy for 80 years already. Similarly, that's the case in SK too.

Mexico is already "turned away" from the US if we are going by statements made by their current president (Cuba > US even).

Economy and trade are also a part of geopolitical power, and China economically dwarfs the US today.

Also, what does "non-interference" even mean? The US tries to intervene in everything, but then ends up humiliated,

With now losing control everywhere outside the 15% of the global population. Outside of that, countries look at the US like a genocidal pariah, a deranged lunatic, precisely because it tries to intervene in everything so much. It basically backfires.

Then Chinese non-interference actually becomes many times of times more appealing to the Global South than the US's violent posturing, warmongering, control-seeking, and imposing, meddling, hence China gets more geopolitical clout.

Anyway, this is off-topic and this topic was finished already a long time ago, mods should probably delete this.

You can just continue coping and living in your own world, but in reality, this is how the rest of the world looks at the US.

 

[Michael90]

The Philippines is not the most pro-American country in Asia, just a few years ago it had a pretty anti-US president.

Unlike Japan which for example had the same pro-US policy for 80 years already. Similarly, that's the case in SK too.

Mexico is already turned away from the US if we are going by statements made by their current president (Cuba > US even).

Economy and trade are also a part of geopolitical power, and China economically dwarfs the US today.

Also, what does "non-interference" even mean? The US tries to intervene in everything, but then ends up humiliated,

With now losing control everywhere outside the 15% of the global population. Outside of that, countries look at the US like a genocidal pariah, a deranged lunatic, precisely because it tries to intervene in everything so much.

Then Chinese non-interference actually becomes many times of times more appealing to the Global South than the US violent posturing and warmongering, hence China gets more geopolitical clout.

Anyway, this is off-topic and this topic was finished already a long time ago, mods should probably delete this.

You can just continue coping and living in your own world, but in reality, this is how the rest of the world looks at the US.

OK, if you believe that then good for you. I just made my own observation. To each his own i guess. But i think members here can judge for themselves what they think is right or not.

 

[Maikeru]

OK, if you believe that then good for you. I just made my own observation. To each his own i guess. But i think members here can judge for themselves what they think is right or not.

It's not that Mexico or Mexicans have any great love for the USA - they definitely don't - but they need to eat and US is by far their biggest market, right next door.

 

[Serb]

It's not that Mexico or Mexicans have any great love for the USA - they definitely don't - but they need to eat and US is by far their biggest market, right next door.

The US also needs them economically. Mexico is 100% basically neutral (at best). I don't understand why people get this impression that they are pro-US.

Mexico never supports any US-led initiative in the UN regarding China, Russia, Israel, Cuba, Iran, etc.

How can someone be pro-US if it in 99% of cases votes directly against the US, what other possible 'loyalty showings' or 'benefits' does the US get from them then?

Can the US tell them to stop economic relations with Russia and even many smaller countries like it can order the EU vassals? No. Mexico is not under their contorl.

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[ansy1968]

OK, if you believe that then good for you. I just made my own observation. To each his own i guess. But i think members here can judge for themselves what they think is right or not.

To answer your question my generations are the most PRO American because its hip to speak pretty English, you can date girls even if you spoke broken English...lol while my children use American brand Chinese made Iphone and was impress about the quality of the product and also they find speaking Korean, Japanese and Chinese as beautiful, so its a generational shift.

Most of the younger generation are well aware of their nationality and race as most can travel and see the world which broaden their perception, they have tasted discrimination and also from tales from their relatives working abroad.

So the American need a narrative shift to cover up its previous atrocities and projecting China threat is one of them, has it gain any traction? well I think its the reverse, my generation due to wisdom had come to understand what American hegemony is all about, I'm the perfect example, while those youngster who are easily manipulated are being educated by American endorsed value in the current Israel Palestinian conflict in real time....lol what about those FIL-AM and dual passport holders? their influence are eroding as we know they had an escape plan if everything go south down here.

 

[Maikeru]

I have to say since coming to this site in the aftermath of the Galwan clash I've really been educated, not just about China and the PLA but also about the duplicity of the Western media. All the economic news headlines are about how China's economy is really in trouble and getting worse. Then you look at the actual facts and stats, it's not declining, it's growing, just slightly less than expected/hoped for. I used to think narrative/agenda pushing was a conspiracy theory but now I think it's real, but I don't understand the reason behind the relentless spreading of FUD about China's economy. Anyway, Caixin Manufacturing PMI is out for December (50.8), as is S&P US PMI (47.9) - but both will be entirely ignored by Doomberg et al:

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[manqiangrexue]

I have to say since coming to this site in the aftermath of the Galwan clash I've really been educated, not just about China and the PLA but also about the duplicity of the Western media. All the economic news headlines are about how China's economy is really in trouble and getting worse. Then you look at the actual facts and stats, it's not declining, it's growing, just slightly less than expected/hoped for. I used to think narrative/agenda pushing was a conspiracy theory but now I think it's real, but I don't understand the reason behind the relentless spreading of FUD about China's economy. Anyway, Caixin Manufacturing PMI is out for December (50.8), as is S&P US PMI (47.9) - but both will be entirely ignored by Doomberg et al:

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For me, my education point when I realized that Western media was sheer lies was the Hong Kong riots. The police basically acted like pacifist monks in Hong Kong and every Western outlet was like, "The CCP's Violent Iron-Fisted Draconian Crackdown on Peaceful Protesters Intensifies." People in the US get shot to death for resisting the order to stop moving while twitching under a live taser and these cockroaches got nothing back for firing arrows and molotovs at the police. Then there was that incident when the Brits insisted that the Chinese kidnapped one of their consular agents for political reasons and went on and on about it until China released a clip of him getting arrested at a brothel, interview and all. That's when I was certain I could never trust Western media again.

 

[quim]

The US also needs them economically. Mexico is 100% basically neutral (at best). I don't understand why people get this impression that they are pro-US.

Mexico never supports any US-led initiative in the UN regarding China, Russia, Israel, Cuba, Iran, etc.

How can someone be pro-US if it in 99% of cases votes directly against the US, what other possible 'loyalty showings' or 'benefits' does the US get from them then?

Can the US tell them to stop economic relations with Russia and even many smaller countries like it can order the EU vassals? No. Mexico is not under their contorl.

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The current AMLO administration is indeed the first neutral government that Mexico experienced since 19th century.

Since Spanish Empire collapse, Mexico has been governed by puppets of the US freemasonry, that follows all economical and political orders issued by Washington.

There were few revolutions against US rule, like the old catholic-backed Cristeros revolution, but the US backed freemason government massacred them multiple times and Mexico remained an undisputed de facto US vassal, serving only as a source of cheap migrants workers.

AMLO's election marked the first inflection point in this reality. I hope that with a multipolar world order Mexico can free itself from US rule and seek to grow and develop and achieve its first independence since the 1500s western conquest.

 

[AndrewS]

I have to say since coming to this site in the aftermath of the Galwan clash I've really been educated, not just about China and the PLA but also about the duplicity of the Western media. All the economic news headlines are about how China's economy is really in trouble and getting worse. Then you look at the actual facts and stats, it's not declining, it's growing, just slightly less than expected/hoped for. I used to think narrative/agenda pushing was a conspiracy theory but now I think it's real, but I don't understand the reason behind the relentless spreading of FUD about China's economy.

It's denial over the reality of what is happening.

It's what people want to believe (which also gets more clicks) versus an unwanted truth.