Chinese Economics Thread

Maikeru

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It's denial over the reality of what is happening.

It's what people want to believe (which also gets more clicks) versus an unwanted truth.
It's relentless, though. Like, if an economic indicator for China is slightly less than expected/previous, but still positive, this is just DOOOOOM!!! Whereas a negative but slightly better than previous/expected indicator for US/EU/wherever is positively glowing proof of massive growth and for sure China will never overtake US!
 

Bellum_Romanum

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It's relentless, though. Like, if an economic indicator for China is slightly less than expected/previous, but still positive, this is just DOOOOOM!!! Whereas a negative but slightly better than previous/expected indicator for US/EU/wherever is positively glowing proof of massive growth and for sure China will never overtake US!
Which causes in my opinion for people in the west to develop cognitive dissonance and outright dismissal of any data that supports/show that contradicts if not demolishes the relentless anti-China propaganda they have been fed and eating regarding the supposed state of China's economy for decades. It also easy for the masses in the west to be misled by their own governments and businesses that the reasons China even managed to grow was due to western/American benevolence, Chinese duplicity, cheating, stealing I.P.

It's by design from the start and is the by product from the cold war era and more likely earlier than that, when Karl Marx theory espoused in the Communist manifesto came into existence. We have to accept that existent holders of our economy do not want to share power, or even wishes to give credit to a hybrid form of system despite its adherence spewing Economic liberalization but under western political system or else.
 

siegecrossbow

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It's relentless, though. Like, if an economic indicator for China is slightly less than expected/previous, but still positive, this is just DOOOOOM!!! Whereas a negative but slightly better than previous/expected indicator for US/EU/wherever is positively glowing proof of massive growth and for sure China will never overtake US!

Asians are just held to higher standards. China is upset about getting an A- when developed nations are happy with C-.
 

Godzilla

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I think coupled with a significant decline in journalism, both in terms of standard of editing / reporting as well as that of the basic competency of the journalist contribute significantly to those as well. The media now is basically an echo chamber with the copy and pasting and click baiting, on top of all the propaganda and narrative setting. Same effect of the west going to a serviced based economy. All the top talents heading to the $$$ earning jobs like banking and finance and entertainment, causing brain drains in the other sectors.

Would like to see how China will handle those same problems when the pay gap between industries widen. I like the crackdown on the I bank salaries a few years ago, as well as those of the actors. Would like to see the effect in the long term though, as market forces do tend to gravitate pay and thus talents to those sectors.
 

Biscuits

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Asians are just held to higher standards. China is upset about getting an A- when developed nations are happy with C-.
Developing nations are shit tho.

China's standard should be to retain the no1 economy spot and keep increasing life quality inside the country. And plan so that it's sustainable growth for decades. It's the last part that is more difficult both to manage and to predict.
 

Serb

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Chinese foreign direct investment (FDI) significantly contributes to the industrial and technological advancement of recipient countries, transcending mere economic stimulation. This contrasts with American investments, typically concentrated in the service sector, like low-paying fast-food chains or retail stores. These American ventures primarily enhance monetary circulation without notably elevating the host nation's long-term industrial and technological capabilities.

Consider the impact of companies like BYD in the global landscape. Their investment in industrial and high-tech sectors leads to the creation of skilled labor forces, fosters partnerships, and bolsters educational synergies with local universities. This strategic approach aids in developing robust supply chains. The ripple effect of such investments is profound. In nations like Brazil or Hungary, this could pave the way for the emergence of indigenous electric vehicle (EV) brands, or at the very least, attract additional EV manufacturers due to an established, skilled workforce and a supportive industrial ecosystem.

Furthermore, China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and its focus on credit-infrastructure markets play a pivotal role in transforming the investment landscape in the Global South. Without Chinese funding and expertise, American and Western companies might be less inclined to invest in these regions. China's unique economic and governmental structure positions it as the world's leading creditor and infrastructure provider. Recently, China has even integrated science and technology into the BRI framework, further enhancing its global influence and the developmental prospects of its partner countries.




 

Serb

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Even the US debt and debt-inflated stock market can't come close in growth to China (even in nominal terms). :D



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Asia's GDP history as a share of the global GDP (keep in mind those red parts are in market prices, not PPP, like blue).

Asia and the Pacific currently have a 46% share of global GDP PPP, but it can go easily to 70% or more in a few decades.

And the US gets isolated from all that action, but at least they are "protected by oceans" in Peter Zeihan's words. :D


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China's current manufacturing global share is bigger than Japan and the EU at current prices, realistically above the entire world, or at least above G7, if we look at it in real terms (PPP). The US is becoming more and more like some angry, distant, isolated, small country to them.
 
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Staedler

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I think coupled with a significant decline in journalism, both in terms of standard of editing / reporting as well as that of the basic competency of the journalist contribute significantly to those as well. The media now is basically an echo chamber with the copy and pasting and click baiting, on top of all the propaganda and narrative setting. Same effect of the west going to a serviced based economy. All the top talents heading to the $$$ earning jobs like banking and finance and entertainment, causing brain drains in the other sectors.

Would like to see how China will handle those same problems when the pay gap between industries widen. I like the crackdown on the I bank salaries a few years ago, as well as those of the actors. Would like to see the effect in the long term though, as market forces do tend to gravitate pay and thus talents to those sectors.
Ultimately if they can't make other industries pay better, it's going to be an uphill battle. My experience is that finance jobs will pay you close to 2x that of other sectors. I personally dislike finance and would prefer to work on more interesting things, but I'm also not going to turn down 2x the salary just to do so. Probably if they can close the gap to within 10-20% a lot of people will switch.

Just cutting salaries in the finance sector without increasing it elsewhere isn't the best approach. That said it's definitely a tough nut to crack.
 
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