Chinese Economics Thread

[AssassinsMace]

Like the article I previously posted about China keeping Western luxuries afloat... Look at the comments in that article where people still hating China when they're making money off the Chinese. They don't make money off of you, they get upset. But when they make money a whole new upset goes into play.

Since I was a kid it's always been about teasing how they have it better than you. That has always been the basis of their belief in their superiority. It has not changed one bit to this day. When human rights violations are brought up, it has nothing to do with wanting you to have human rights. They again as when I was a kid are just teasing how they have it better than you. They can hide it now behind something that is looked as good instead of plain racism now. When you hear feminists criticize male sexism in Asian cultures, it's not about wanting women rights in Asia. It's their women telling Asian women how they have it better. I just saw Forbes China's richest list. China has women on that list and they're all self-made. No self-made richest who are women on the tops of their list. How can you be a woman and self-made rich in a sexist society like they charge? They completely ignore that and continue with the sexism charges. Why? Because it's all about who has it better. China keeping them afloat by making so much money from the Chinese consumer? That's an insult to some because it puts them in a position that they need Chinese. Look at how the EU wanted China to give them money for their bailout. Those against it didn't reject the idea. They just didn't want to have to be in the position they owed China anything. They wanted the money but didn't want China to get anything out of it. They were saving face.

In my old neighborhood when I was a kid you had to be careful even being polite to people. No good deed goes unpunished... You had to remember that. If you were to be polite and say hello to someone walking by in the neighborhood, you had watch who you said that to. Because for some that could be a sign of weakness to respond in kind especially if they had friends with them. So you could get attacked for just saying hello because they had to show their friends they were in the higher position of power. People in higher social status circles look down at that as ghetto mentality but it comes from them. It's the same mind at work when they don't like China in a postion to bail them out or keep their luxury industries afloat. They're saving face just like the thug that will attack you just for being polite saying hello.

 

[no_name]

Slightly off topic but there is a somewhat similar process where someone owes you something.

Normally when we receive help from someone we are grateful and remembers to repay in kind when we have the opportunity. However when people receive help from others that they think is too big to repay, it becomes a pressure on them. (Think about a fireman who lost his one arm to save your kid from a burning building, now think about him living right next to you, and that every morning you have to see him) They will try to avoid the people who have helped them, and when they can't get away, people who are weaker in character will start to attack the very person who helped them, not necessarily because they want to, but because they fold under the pressure. Don't underestimate people's abilities to rationalize their own actions.


I think that using help as a commodity to be traded is not normal. People should help those in need because they have excess capabilities, because they wanted to, and because it is the right thing to do. And they should do it without expecting a returning favor. Similarly those in the receiving end should not be forced to somehow redeem the help they received, gratitude is most valuable when it comes from ones heart.

end rant.

 

[ABC78]

China and it's economy are at a crossroad Thomas PM Barnett presents several scenerios but hopeful in his youtube presentation " China Hits the Great Wall". Right know only half of the presentation is on youtube I will post the rest when made available.

[video=youtube;9wd-HoqNArI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wd-HoqNArI&list=UUAwQEbH3VZu_tf-fCCNKcDQ&index=2&feature=plcp[/video]

[video=youtube;j-XYiVW8FiY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-XYiVW8FiY&list=UUAwQEbH3VZu_tf-fCCNKcDQ&index=1&feature=plcp[/video]

 

[AssassinsMace]

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Found no evidence of spying but pointed to vulnerabilities to cyber attack. So why are they worried about Chinese cyber warfare if their superior technology has no vulnerabilties like Huaweis products stolen from them as charged?

 

[jackliu]

Here is my take on this Huaweis thing, it is not about national security, it is all about economic protectionism in the name of national security. Because Huaweis will be directly competing with Cisico and other US makers.

Where do those US maker make their product from? Yep, they are almost ALL Made in China. So if China really wanted to spy on them, they can easily do temper with Cisco hardware production line in China.

But when Cisco produce in China and sell in US, vast majority of profit still goes to Cisco, however if Huawei is allow to use their own brand to sell in US, they are moving up the production chain, they will be directly competing with American companies, so this is not allowed, thus national security excuses.

This is sad, in the eyes of American, China is only allowed to be their cheap factory, they are not allowed to come up with anything on their own.

 

[Equation]

Here is my take on this Huaweis thing, it is not about national security, it is all about economic protectionism in the name of national security. Because Huaweis will be directly competing with Cisico and other US makers.

Where do those US maker make their product from? Yep, they are almost ALL Made in China. So if China really wanted to spy on them, they can easily do temper with Cisco hardware production line in China.

But when Cisco produce in China and sell in US, vast majority of profit still goes to Cisco, however if Huawei is allow to use their own brand to sell in US, they are moving up the production chain, they will be directly competing with American companies, so this is not allowed, thus national security excuses.

This is sad, in the eyes of American, China is only allowed to be their cheap factory, they are not allowed to come up with anything on their own.

True, Huawei and ZTE could always sue those that accused it for what it is not. Let the legal battle rage on and on with the Chinese government supporting them, until the other side could no longer afford to keep the litigation going due to cost.

 

[lostsoul]

True, Huawei and ZTE could always sue those that accused it for what it is not. Let the legal battle rage on and on with the Chinese government supporting them, until the other side could no longer afford to keep the litigation going due to cost.

Didn't go down too well for Samsung in the USA. Note: Most other countries have thrown out Apple's law suits.

 

[AssassinsMace]

It is about national security but not the preventing actual military attack or sabotage kind. It's all about maintaining their power. They have a right to do that. They just better remember China has national security concerns too. Look at how you hear them demand China to be transparent. That's national security. Or how arrogant the media thinks freedom of the press in China is not enough. I've read statements that suggest the Western media believes they're entitled to be the medium of news and information in China. Look at how they championed Google who's insulted they don't dominate China and expects to be given more freedoms than every other internet company there. They're about to be slapped with domestic anti-trust charges where they control search content to their advantage. And what's make them think what they do is different from China? They actually think they can do no wrong. They think everyone in the entire universe recognizes they have no malice in their heart but you of course do.

Everything they use national security as an excuse, China can too.

 

[bladerunner]

True, Huawei and ZTE could always sue those that accused it for what it is not. Let the legal battle rage on and on with the Chinese government supporting them, until the other side could no longer afford to keep the litigation going due to cost.

That would involve suing the American government as well. In the end it would be a case of running out of courts one can appeal to then a case of money.

 

[Equation]

That would involve suing the American government as well. In the end it would be a case of running out of courts one can appeal to then a case of money.

Exactly, make the them paid for whatever little money they got left on their coffers if they wanna play litigation hardball.