Chinese Economics Thread

Franklin

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This is a pretty good chart from David Goldman on how quickly China's exports to the global south have ramped up. This doesn't even include Russia, which probably has seen some of the largest jumps

Other good point he made is that other countries are making products that are using China's supply chain or are just outright Chinese companies.

On the other hand, you could argue that while countries are relying on Chinese supply chain, they are increasingly anxious about losing their own industries. Makes for interesting times.
The reason that this is happening is because of the high savings rate in China. This enable's China to invest in infrastructure, industry and technology with low interest rate and low inflation.
 

drowingfish

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The reason that this is happening is because of the high savings rate in China. This enable's China to invest in infrastructure, industry and technology with low interest rate and low inflation.
i was under the impression that china's savings rate has dropped to Europe/USA levels since the GFC?
 

CMP

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i was under the impression that china's savings rate has dropped to Europe/USA levels since the GFC?
Chinese families, constrained by Covid lockdowns, hoarded cash and pushed up the country’s household saving rate to a multiyear high of 33% in 2022, up 3 percentage points from the pre-pandemic trend in 2019, according to estimates by Goldman Sachs.

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WSJ is propaganda (for Westoid-educated finance/business professionals) too, but whatever other propaganda you were previously reading has clearly had an impact on you. Even post-GFC, Chinese savings rate was in the ballpark of 30%. Clearly some nonsense you've been reading that wants to push the Chinese debt collapse angle, or at least to give Westoids the false delusion that Chinese people aren't better off than they are.
 

Petrolicious88

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Lies, damn lies, and statistics

”The survey was conducted between mid-October and mid-November last year with 319 of the chamber’s almost 1,000 members replying. “

guess what happened in China last October/November in China
But also companies don’t make investment plans based on just short term disruptions. The survey reflects corporate hesitancy due to long term geopolitical tensions. It’s just bad for business.
 

vincent

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But also companies don’t make investment plans based on just short term disruptions. The survey reflects corporate hesitancy due to long term geopolitical tensions. It’s just bad for business.
Really? Tell that to all those corporate executives who only care about the next quarter's financial report.

Anyways, they are free to leave the world's second largest market while their Chinese competitors take over their shares.
 

Rafi

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Or they were being outcompete by the locals, American brand doesn't hold much value as Nationalism is on the rise in China as The US ramp up tension.

True, many of my Chinese friends who are not interested in politics at all, decided to boycott H&M when it made the fake "we-gar" genocide bs. It was shocking, but also made me respect their nationalism.
 

MortyandRick

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But also companies don’t make investment plans based on just short term disruptions. The survey reflects corporate hesitancy due to long term geopolitical tensions. It’s just bad for business.
Your making assumptions. Do you know the exact phrasing of the question and survey? What if it asked about short term or intermediate term investments. Oct and Nov were very low points for china economically. They didn't know these lock downs were going to be lifted and thus can't characterize that as only a short term disruption.

The mood may be different if the survey was asked now.
 

SanWenYu

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Lies, damn lies, and statistics

”The survey was conducted between mid-October and mid-November last year with 319 of the chamber’s almost 1,000 members replying. “

guess what happened in China last October/November in China
The headline of the bloomberg piece and that tweet are deceiving by saying "majority". If only 319 companies answered the survey, 55% of the 319 is like less than 20% of the total 1000 chamber members.
 
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