One of my coworker got COVID more than a week ago and he is still not 100% today.
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I'm a mixed person(asian looking), dad is dutch and my mom is Filipina(Cebuano).
The Dutch kitchen sucks ass they think that salt and pepper already has too much taste, so i grew up eating my moms and her friends filipino and Indonesian food. And i have been multiple times to Cebu in my life.
Is there anywhere on the Internet I can discuss China seriously without encountering stupidity like this? *Sigh*, one can dream.
I blocked that guy like 100 million years ago. Has done wonders for my mental health.
You get positive responses from the left end of the bell curve on this forum.
Frankly, what dumbs the conversation down is the presence of Westerners.
And you're the one to tell us what those mistakes are, right? What qualifies you to do that?
You guys didn't come here to debate. You come here to lecture. Just because CPC did things differently from what you expected and wanted, you guys continue to attack CPC no matter right or wrong. No matter how you twisted the facts, the truth is up until early this year, China zero covid policy is the best and has done re-markedly well for the country. Even though the costs of continuing zero covid policy is much higher now, China is still doing much better than countries that give up on containing covid.
I don't know why you keep repeating nonsense. Nobody is saying CPC is flawless. You try to put it as a label on people that don't agree with you. As for what do the mainland Chinese support, you have no idea and only get your information from the West MSM which makes your argument useless to begin with.
The problem for you and people like you are that your guys are so full of yourself. You think you know better but you have nothing to support your argument except empty rhetoric.
It doesn't mean they deserve to die. Over 2 million deaths in the West, you guys still think you have the best policy.
What i see here is most Western countries are going into recession and hyperinflation. So your argument that China has lower growth is flaw as with or without covid policies, economies would still be affected by covid. Ending covid policies wouldn't save your economy and make your economy better.
In addition, China growth has as much to do with crack down on Internet giants, property sector and tutoring sector as to the covid policies. Most of these crack down is long overdue.
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People that had covid know exactly what the damage can be, imaging a fever that takes you out for 3~5 days that spreads faster than the average cold. It's like having multiple waves each taking out huge chunks of your working population for a couple of days each year increasing the cost for healthcare either in sick leave or hospital costs.
Then you also have a very small percentage of people that gets long covid, god knows what the economic damage will come from that situation when the group of people with long covid will slowly but surely grow.
So i can see why the Chinese government thinks Zero covid will be more limited in economic costs than to just let covid rip through the population.
Then you also have a very small percentage of people that gets long covid, god knows what the economic damage will come from that situation when the group of people with long covid will slowly but surely grow.
So i can see why the Chinese government thinks Zero covid will be more limited in economic costs than to just let covid rip through the population.
No, because it is what MSM preaches. They just repeat what MSM told them without even knowing it.
The primary reason we see more acceptance of transitioning out of Zero Covid Policy nowadays, even among some Chinese health experts and netizens, is because the Omicron has much lower fatality and hospitalization rate than previous variants, particularly the last one - Delta.
But to say Zero Covid Policy is a bad strategy is pure Western propaganda and absolutely wrong. It served the Chinese people very well, both health and economic wise, up till at least early this year.
The appropriate and realistic approach to frame China Zero Covid policy discussion is whether it is still appropriate now with the virus mutated to something like the Omicron variant. I personally think the result is mixed because if you translate what is happening now in Japan, S Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, the equivalent number of hospitalization and deaths are still quite significant for China with 1.4B people.
With China's continuous development of indigenous vaccines, and pre and post hospitalization treatments for those infected, if the next wave of a new variant has even lower hospitalization and fatality, we will likely see a far more relaxed Zero Covid policy or even a new policy.
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@mossen
If you look at China's economic performance since January 2020 when COVID started until today, China has posted the world's best economic performance by far and also the lowest death rates by far of any major nation. The real-life growth gaps (versus the rest of world) favoured China even more than originally predicted before COVID appeared.
The lockdowns in China actually did work in completely eliminating COVID, hence the term zero-COVID. So for the first two years, over 90% of the Chinese population did not have to worry about COVID or lockdowns for over 90% of the time.
So I'll put it in even starker terms. Zero-COVID for the first 2 years was a BRILLIANT move on China's part.
It's only in 2022 that the emergence of more infectious COVID variants have cast doubt on whether COVID zero is sustainable or desirable in China. I think the jury is still out on this, particularly since the effects of Long Covid are not well known. The UK is estimated to have 1-2million people suffering from Long Covid for example. The equivalent figure for the US would be 5-10 million people. So if China lets COVID run free, 22-44 million people would suffer from Long Covid.
In addition, the US had 1 million deaths due to COVID, whereas the Chinese figure is not even 1% of this figure.
If China had followed the US, China would have had 4 million deaths.
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I would agree that you have to look at the facts for yourself, rather than accept Western propaganda on China as the truth.
Look at the data
If you look at China's economic performance since January 2020 when COVID started until today, China has posted the world's best economic performance by far and also the lowest death rates by far of any major nation. The real-life growth gaps (versus the rest of world) favoured China even more than originally predicted before COVID appeared.
The lockdowns in China actually did work in completely eliminating COVID, hence the term zero-COVID. So for the first two years, over 90% of the Chinese population did not have to worry about COVID or lockdowns for over 90% of the time.
So I'll put it in even starker terms. Zero-COVID for the first 2 years was a BRILLIANT move on China's part.
It's only in 2022 that the emergence of more infectious COVID variants have cast doubt on whether COVID zero is sustainable or desirable in China. I think the jury is still out on this, particularly since the effects of Long Covid are not well known. The UK is estimated to have 1-2million people suffering from Long Covid for example. The equivalent figure for the US would be 5-10 million people. So if China lets COVID run free, 22-44 million people would suffer from Long Covid.
In addition, the US had 1 million deaths due to COVID, whereas the Chinese figure is not even 1% of this figure.
If China had followed the US, China would have had 4 million deaths.
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I would agree that you have to look at the facts for yourself, rather than accept Western propaganda on China as the truth.
Look at the data
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