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ht1688

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I think you're mixing up the consumer payment service systems (Alipay/Wechatpay/银联闪付)with the interbank card clearing services provided by Unionpay.

The cheap online/digital payment cost enjoyed by all in China is the result of combining efficient PBOC clearing services and innovative online payment services such as Alipay/WechatPay. As you pointed out, because of the low penetration of plastic card/POS hardware and services in China, the cost to digitally leapfrog legacy VISA/MC/AMEX is quite small. Cheap and reliable smartphones/4G/5G are also key factors to the almost universal adoption of digital payment in China.

Unionpay is the monopoly system by the Peoples Bank of China for interbank (domestic/international) card clearances in Yuan. There's also the CNAPS for China's interbank electronic payment.

Alipay/WechatPay/银联闪付(when translated into UnionPay confuses people) are digital payment services. Like many others in China, they are governed and licensed by the Peoples Bank of China. I think they need a Payment Services License.

Alipay/WechatPay/银联闪付, all are backed by partner banks for their card and online transaction settlement. They are not independent banks. So CNAPS and Unionpay provide the backbone services. Alipay began its services with Hangzhou branch of ICBC providing real banking transaction services.

I know that nowadays in addition to linking your credit/debit accounts to Alipay/Wechat/闪付, you can also use Alipay revolving credits just like another credit card. I think Jack Ma's ambition was to create a digital payment verse with Ants Financial to be totally independent of PBOC supervision in China. The hubris led to his infamous speech scolding the PBOC governors. And the result is that he was allowed to retire from financial services.

Unionpay, the payment network, has started to reign in Alipay and Wechatpay: payment QR Code has been standardized based on Unionpay as of last year.

I have a digital yuan wallet too. But for an individual in China, I don't see the advantages over entrenched payment systems like Alipay.

With due respect, I've included the wiki page below that explains unionpay.
UnionPay (
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: 银联;
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: Yínlián), also known as China UnionPay (
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: 中国银联;
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: Zhōngguó Yínlián) or by its abbreviation, CUP or UPI internationally, is a Chinese
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corporation headquartered in
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, China. It provides
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services and a major
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in
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It is also an
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at
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) network, and the only
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in China that links all the
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(ATMs) of all
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throughout the country. UnionPay cards can be used in 180 countries and regions around the world.
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It offers both credit and debit cards (though I've only used it for cash as explained in my previous post). Quickpay (银联闪付) is a smart card service I have not used. It was only introduced in the mid 2010's. The reason I brought up wechat pay and alipay is that either one is more widely used (by a large margin) for point of sale (POS) purposes here in China.

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HeiTangSeng

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With due respect, I've included the wiki page below that explains unionpay.


It offers both credit and debit cards (though I've only used it for cash as explained in my previous post). Quickpay (银联闪付) is a smart card service I have not used. It was only introduced in the mid 2010's. The reason I brought up wechat pay and alipay is that either one is more widely used (by a large margin) for point of sale (POS) purposes here in China.

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I stand corrected! Unionpay’s digital offering is called 云闪付, not 银联闪付. From late last year, WeChatPay and Alipay supports 云闪付 QR codes.
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sndef888

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Does anyone know what's going on with Tianjin Binhai? I've heard the plans for a "new Shenzhen" were put on hold because of politics and fiscal issues with the local government. Is the issue being solved?

It's such a waste though. A Binhai-Tianjin-Langfang-Beijing-Zhangjiakou economic corridor makes a lot of sense and would drive a lot of growth to the laggard north. Certainly makes more sense than Xiong'an that's built in the middle of nowhere
 

Godzilla

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Does anyone know what's going on with Tianjin Binhai? I've heard the plans for a "new Shenzhen" were put on hold because of politics and fiscal issues with the local government. Is the issue being solved?

It's such a waste though. A Binhai-Tianjin-Langfang-Beijing-Zhangjiakou economic corridor makes a lot of sense and would drive a lot of growth to the laggard north. Certainly makes more sense than Xiong'an that's built in the middle of nowhere
Binhai is kinda dead. I was working there in 2018 for 6 months. It kinda died after the explosion. Alot of the shop fronts are closed, and the stadium is also closed. The high speed rail don't go there that often anymore, so I had to hop on the subway or taxi to get to Tianjin station rather than wait for the HSR. Kinda sad.
 
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