Chinese Economics Thread

Mountain

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That's why I think Unionpay is only useful for Russian small businesses and individuals.

And the West understands that sanctioning Unionpay is a declaration of financial WW3. Are they ready to cut off the number 1 trading nation in the world and beg China to just take care of all loose ends like Taiwan right now?
Chinese leaders work very diligently. They know very well who will be at their back in difficult times n who is trying to contain them. Russia has vast natural resources n nuclear armed nation. They should stand together both in good n bad times n co-operate in every field.
 

ht1688

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The immediate benefit of linking UnionPay to Russian banks is to allow them to reconnect to the international interbank clearing networks, albeit much weaker than Visa/MC. It appears to be a plan B for Russian businesses to conduct some smaller transactions through Unionpay accounts worldwide. But this activity is also subject to sanction in EU/USA/Japan/SK/etc.

I may be misinformed, but I've heard that UnionPay's big advantage is the much cheaper transaction cost for merchants and banks within its network, compared to VISA/MC, like less than 10%. So much so that it makes 1 fen(cent) transactions possible. That's why you see so many micro-transaction based online businesses in China. Not sure that feature is useful for the Russians.

In the Long term, reality will force Russians to overcome their reluctance to adopt Chinese standards and technology, which is an unexpected windfall for China.
I think you misunderstand unionpay. My atm card from China has a unionpay symbol. I go to HK, Taiwan, or San Jose, and I can get cash from an atm machine that has a unionpay symbol (I've tried this in all 3 places). I have never tried to use it as a debit card anywhere. In China, almost nobody uses a credit/debit card or even an atm card (cash) anymore. We use wechat pay or alipay. They are usually linked to a bank card. There is no fee on transactions, regardless of the size of transaction. There is a fee if an amount in your ewallet is transferred to your bank account. You can send 1 cent to your friend on wechat pay, for example. There's no fee. If your friend transfers from his wechat pay account to his bank account, there's a fee (though I don't know how they handle 1 cent).

Credit/debit cards never got a foothold here. We kind of skipped it and went directly from cash to e-payment. I've already got a digital rmb wallet and played with it a little bit. Haven't used it much though.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
What about @B.I.B.'s cow farm in NZ?
No, but my grandfather was one of the first to start selling dairy cows for stock inprovement in China.


extract from

FEEDING DAIRY CATTLE IN TROPICAL REGIONS OF CHINA

by

Cheng Nanging​


"In order to meet the people's milk demand, between 1980–1985, this province imported 3,318 black and white dairy cattle from New Zealand, Denmark, the USA, Canada and Australia. The milk productivity and management of these cattle and the original local black and white are as follows
Cattle from New Zealand are better adapted to the Guangdong Province conditions than cattle from other countries. In the first year of their importation, those cattle suffered serious heat stress. In the Chu-Cuen dairy cattle farm, among 675 cattle imported in 1985, 18.7% of them had to be slaughtered in the first year because of foot-rot, septicaemia, mastitis, pneumonia, dystocia, uterine prolapse, ruptured uterus and other diseases. In the second and third years, they had to cull only 5.8% and 1.9% of the total cows, respectively.

Milk production

From Table 1, it can be seen that the milk production of cattle from New Zealand is nearly equal to that found in their home country. The milk production of the cows from other countries, although it is increasing each year, is still lower than the production in their home countries (although higher than the New Zealand cows). The milk production has increased rapidly every year. Some of the cows produced 6000 kg of milk in a 305 day lactation and the highest one achieved 9327 kg of milk in 305 days."

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gelgoog

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Unionpay will be used by Russian business travelers and tourists traveling abroad basically. Might also be used for small scale e-commerce with China. Inside Russia they can use the Mir card network. Unionpay will not be used for corporate transactions in general. That will be CIPS.
 

BlackWindMnt

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The immediate benefit of linking UnionPay to Russian banks is to allow them to reconnect to the international interbank clearing networks, albeit much weaker than Visa/MC. It appears to be a plan B for Russian businesses to conduct some smaller transactions through Unionpay accounts worldwide. But this activity is also subject to sanction in EU/USA/Japan/SK/etc.

I may be misinformed, but I've heard that UnionPay's big advantage is the much cheaper transaction cost for merchants and banks within its network, compared to VISA/MC, like less than 10%. So much so that it makes 1 fen(cent) transactions possible. That's why you see so many micro-transaction based online businesses in China. Not sure that feature is useful for the Russians.

In the Long term, reality will force Russians to overcome their reluctance to adopt Chinese standards and technology, which is an unexpected windfall for China.
Thats a good thing how bigger the network how more power China will have to determine vNext standards of the payment networks.
 
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