Chinese Economics Thread

Xizor

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I agree 200%, Wall St in China is as much a risk as there are certain benefits.

Also their people are infiltrating Chinese firms. Didi is an example, many of Didi's directors and C-level folks were helicoptered in from Wall St investment banks, typically well-connected Chinese kids from Lvy league who have sold their souls to satan. But if Didi's recent episode indicates anything is that Beijing regulators are still on top of things and will cut their balls off if required.
But they bring in the sweet Dollars too. That's why I'm hesitant to shut them off completely(Technology firms). Chinese government, to be fair here, gets tax from these companies that they use for public welfare, infrastructure and military.

For financial firms like GS, Br etc the risks are way more with little benefits. I think, long term, they are a BIG threat. We must follow their actions and how China deals with them closely. But, if we are to argue FOR them, I think these Financial companies will force Chinese banks and private companies to improve in their services and quality. Competition is good. Also, China is creating points of pain and leverage here as these companies would lobby for better China relations ( but this is only a hopeful wish. Geopolitics aren't based on wishes. There are many reports that Trump's trade war was pushed behind the curtains by Qualcomm, Intel etc which had huge ties to Chinese electronics industry).


However, the first step, as some members mentioned, would be to create clear, concise and robust framework towards regulation for Data privacy, localization and National security.
 

KYli

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China tries to quell investor fears about internet companies​

“China’s policy of opening-up and supporting the development of internet platforms remains unchanged,” Wang told reporters. He said Beijing “will continue to encourage relevant enterprises to develop global markets and strengthen international exchanges and cooperation.”

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Xizor

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China tries to quell investor fears about internet companies​

“China’s policy of opening-up and supporting the development of internet platforms remains unchanged,” Wang told reporters. He said Beijing “will continue to encourage relevant enterprises to develop global markets and strengthen international exchanges and cooperation.”

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Investors will come anyway. New York isn't the only one investing. Investors all around the world look to get invest in Chinese stocks now or in future.

DiDi can and may bite the dust. National security and privacy rights more important.
 

voyager1

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Jail for the CEO and for the boards of directors then

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Some officials are privately describing Didi’s move as “yang feng yin wei” – to comply publicly, but defy privately – according to a source who was briefed, speaking on condition of anonymity for describing confidential internal discussions.
The characterisation is particularly striking, given the Communist Party’s priority to focus on getting rid of “two-faced men … who comply in public but resist secretly” from the party, according to the communique of a January 13, 2018 meeting by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (CCDI), the corruption-busting agency.
Lmao, DiDi is in big trouble.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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I think at the current level of development, in my opinion, China should not reform itself differently. Giving more and more privileges to already very developed regions leads to large development differences. This leads to a feeling of being better than others and can be dangerous. I spoke to one high-level head of programmers team from Shenzhen and he wanted Shenzhen to have Hong Kong-level autonomy or independence. If China wants to reform further, it should now opt for national reforms or reforms more in poor regions instead of Shenzhen. Giving more and more to rich regions is dangerous.
 

voyager1

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I think at the current level of development, in my opinion, China should not reform itself differently. Giving more and more privileges to already very developed regions leads to large development differences. This leads to a feeling of being better than others and can be dangerous. I spoke to one high-level head of programmers team from Shenzhen and he wanted Shenzhen to have Hong Kong-level autonomy or independence. If China wants to reform further, it should now opt for national reforms or reforms more in poor regions instead of Shenzhen. Giving more and more to rich regions is dangerous.
IMO the free trade zones thing should be built in on the system.

Who knows if tommorow a new zone will be created or where..

There should be a more institutional rules on the free trade zones, its responsibilities, qualifications to have this designation etc.
E.g Free trade Zone Type A, B, C. How can a city qualify for having each type designation. How can the city be demoted. What are its responsibilities, what sort of better performance is expected due to having this designation, has corruption increased etc. Clear rules and performance criteria so that the whole country can eventually start chasing and competing for these Free trade zones.
Maybe even limit the number to each type of ttrade zone so that the competition can be increased even more ...


Because the way it is going, the coastal cities have got a good start on the competition and their advantages are getting more and more for them, while the inland areas have started from a low starting point and thus cannot develop as much.

This creates differences as coastar areas get more autonomy (due to their financial performance) while inland areas are still governed the "old way".

And with decentralization bringing more benefits to these areas for various of reasons (officials more responsive, undertsand the area more etc), the coastal cities are widening their gap with the poorer inland areas
 

Xizor

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IMO the free trade zones thing should be built in on the system.

Who knows if tommorow a new zone will be created or where..

There should be a more institutional rules on the free trade zones, its responsibilities, qualifications to have this designation etc.

Because the way it is going, the coastal cities have got a good start on the competition and their advantages are getting more and more for them, while the inland areas have started from a low starting point and thus cannot develop as much.

This creates differences as coastar areas get more autonomy (due to their finabcual performance) while inland areas are still governed the "old way".

And with decentralization bringing more benefits to these areas for various of reasons (officials more responsive, undertsand the area more etc), the coastal cities are widening their gap with the poorer inland areas
Wouldn't the hukou system constrict the gentrification of cities and force the richer ones to invest in the poorer inland cities?

Thr government may offer them some laxer regulations but must constrict them in certain medium/low end manufacturing and force them to invest inland rather than outside China
 
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