Chinese Economics Thread

[Hendrik_2000]

Most of Xinjiang's oil and gas fields (this new one included) are in North Xinjiang while most Uyghurs live in South Xinjiang. So oil and gas is not the solution to Uyghur's economic problems. However, oil and gas is the reason why Uyghur separatists have been lying through their teeth and claiming North Xinjiang as part of their 'East Turkestan' despite it's historically inhabited by Mongols and had little to do with Uyghurs.

Dzunghar to be exact . Just watching Chinese history and today episode is Kanghsi reign. The Dzunghar rebel and attack the Qing so Qianlong destroy them and massacre the Dzunghar. Even their land south Xinjiang is not their homeland they were moved there after the Dzunghar were destroyed. It is also a lie to say that Chinese immigrant were flooding Xinjiang to displaced Uyghur the proportion of Uyghur, Han, Kazakh is the same now as it was back in 18th century

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The Qing genocide against the Dzungar depopulated the land. This made the Qing-sponsored settlement of millions of ethnic Han Chinese, Hui, Turkestani Oasis people (Uyghurs) and Manchu Bannermen in Dzungaria possible.

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Professor Stanley W. Toops noted that today's demographic situation is similar to that of the early Qing period in Xinjiang. In northern Xinjiang, the Qing brought in Han, Hui, Uyghur, Xibe, and Kazakh colonists after they exterminated the Dzungar Oirat Mongols in the region, with one third of Xinjiang's total population consisting of Hui and Han in the northern area, while around two thirds were Uyghurs in southern Xinjiang's Tarim Basin.

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In Dzungaria, the Qing established new cities like Ürümqi and

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After the Chinese defeated Jahangir Khoja in the 1820s, 12,000 Turki (Uyghur)

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families were deported by China from the

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to Dzungaria to colonize and repopulate the area.

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The

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basin, which used to be inhabited by Dzungars, is currently inhabited by Kazakh

 

[Litebreeze]

EU companies are now feeling the effect of US Semiconductor sanction towards China. US is using sanction to shut EU companies out of China's market while allowing US companies exemptions.

“So far, US companies have been given licences to supply Huawei, while European suppliers cannot,” said the executive, who asked not to be named.​

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"The impact on EU companies has been significant. Earlier this month, one of Europe’s biggest semiconductor companies, Swiss-based STMicroelectronics, postponed its annual revenue target for a year, citing US sanctions on an “important customer” — Huawei. ST’s shares dropped almost 12 per cent the same day."​

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Now EU announced initiative to reduce using US tech IP.

"At the start of December, 17 EU member states announced a “European initiative on processors and semiconductor technologies” via the European Commission. The group advocated for one-fifth, or €145bn, of the European Recovery and Resilience Facility funds, to go to semiconductor research over the next two to three years."​

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Now the funny bit.. also a bit irony..

EU foreign minister Josep Borrell earlier this year also referred to the pressure to align with either the US or China and instead advocated the “Sinatra doctrine”, writing in a blog post: “We as Europeans have to do it ‘My Way’”.​

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[antiterror13]

we knew it would happen, most would abandon US tech IP ... just a matter of time , will be successful

Trump is playing with fire ... no wonder he has bankrupted his companies at least 6x ... so much a great negotiator aeyyy

 

[localizer]

When's the last time the US built a highway for another country?

 

[antiterror13]

When's the last time the US built a highway for another country?

I don't recall any .....

 

[Quickie]

we knew it would happen, most would abandon US tech IP ... just a matter of time , will be successful

Trump is playing with fire ... no wonder he has bankrupted his companies at least 6x ... so much a great negotiator aeyyy

With all his anti-China rhetoric during his whole presidency, I guess he has no intention of investing or doing business with China when he is back to being a businessman in the future. I mean would Chinese businesses even entertain him?

 

[caudaceus]

With all his anti-China rhetoric during his whole presidency, I guess he has no intention of investing or doing business with China when he is back to being a businessman in the future. I mean would Chinese businesses even entertain him?

Kushner once pitching properties project to rich Chinese for U.S. investment visa purposes, so I won't completely discount it.

 

[Petrolicious88]

DHS is warning users not to buy TCL TV due to potential backdoors that can access user data.

China’s strength comes from its economy. From banning Huawei, ZTE, DJI, and hundreds of other Chinese companies, the US is trying to choke off sources of Chinese revenue.

And this is why narrative and soft power is critical. Because the reasoning for the US ban is centered on how the CCP can steal people’s data.

China needs to come up with a better narrative to counter these accusations. Worse still, even when China is trying to tell the truth, many consumers don’t believe it due to state control of journalism in China.

 

[manqiangrexue]

DHS is warning users not to buy TCL TV due to potential backdoors that can access user data.

China’s strength comes from its economy. From banning Huawei, ZTE, DJI, and hundreds of other Chinese companies, the US is trying to choke off sources of Chinese revenue.

And this is why narrative and soft power is critical. Because the reasoning for the US ban is centered on how the CCP can steal people’s data.

China needs to come up with a better narrative to counter these accusations. Worse still, even when China is trying to tell the truth, many consumers don’t believe it due to state control of journalism in China.

Nobody cares about the truth. Some people believe that China steals data but they don't care because they're not a China rival or they don't have any data worth stealing so getting the best deal comes first. Other people don't believe any of America's baseless accusations right off the bat and see it for the jealous tantrum that it is. But in the end, it's not about soft power or Chinese journalism. It's about hard power, the power to sanction and to force people to do what you say and with the current global financial system and system of interwoven technology, America still has some cards to play, although they are double-edged and represent a poor long-term solution with diminishing value. There is no soft power; there is only extended hard power.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

many consumers don’t believe it due to state control of journalism in China.

Since you do nothing but criticize China, how about you turn some of that criticism on America and Americans - the most propagandized group of people on Earth - just for a change of pace. What should Americans do to improve relations with China in general, and what should they do to improve their sophistication in the face of strict ideological control of journalism in America?

China needs to come up with a better narrative to counter these accusations.

What does America need to do?