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plawolf

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Bill Bishop: "What does it say about Xi's vision of opening the economy when the multinationals that attended the symposium Xi chaired for business leaders Monday were told when invited that they could only send ethnic Chinese executives?"


Idiotic fake news peddling to Americans who already made up their minds and don’t know a word of Chinese.

That’s just a list of attendees, zero proof of anyone being told anything.

The fact there are no white (read real) Americans present is easily explained by the shitawful job America has done in dealing with the pandemic and the effective travel ban China has in place preventing any non-Chinese nationals from entering mainland China right now. As such it’s absolutely expected that American multinationals would be sending in representatives who were already in China, and those are overwhelmingly ethnic Chinese since most of the white Americans would have been home for Christmas or were evacuated out when they thought covid was only going to be confined to China and that it would be like a zombie apocalypse for China. Those American multinationals didn’t think their Chinese National employees were worth saving then, which is why they only have those same Chinese National employees left in country now that America is proving to be the dumper fire of the world when dealing with COVID.

No public event anywhere outside of America and some client states would have actual America representatives who were not already in country before the pandemic.
 

Gatekeeper

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Well, I found it. Here it is guys, the calculation to work out the date of Il surpasso.

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Most Americans cannot imagine China being the #1 economy, since they are constantly fed propaganda about America’s greatness and China’s imminent collapse. But the shocking fact is that China can very well surpass the U.S. by 2025. Here’s the math. I will try to explain it in a way that anyone can understand.
First, a quick clarification. When you hear the official GDP growth numbers, they refer to the “real” GDP growth, which is nominal GDP growth minus the inflation.
US GDP: Let’s assume that the US GDP growth for 2020-2025 is the same as the last five years.
Since 2020 is not over yet, we will roughly use
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that the real US GDP will shrink by 6.6%. I will say that the nominal GDP will shrink by 5%. In 2019,
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. That means, US GDP this year will be $20.33 trillion.
The US GDP grew from $18.22 to $20.33 in the last five years. That’s an 11.5% growth. Generously assuming the same growth for the next five years, US GDP will be $20.33 x 1.115 = $22.7 trillion by 2025.
Thus, US GDP in 2025 = $22.7 trillion
(The math is generous, because the US is drowning in debt — which will be very likely $30 trillion by the end of 2020. A lot of bad things can happen in the US in the next five years).
China’s GDP: China is the only major country that’s expected to grow this year. In Q2 2020, China’s nominal GDP grew 5.5%! Let’s assume 4% growth this year (which means a real GDP growth of less than 2%). With a
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, China will end this year with $15 trillion.
Now, between 2015 and 2020, China’s GDP grew 36.7% (from $11t to $15t). Let’s assume a SLOWER growth rate of 27% for the next five years.
That means, China’s GDP will be $15 x 1.27 = $19 trillion in 2025.
Wait! 19 is less than 22.7!!
Yes, in this case, the chart would like this:
china-us-gdp-2020-2025-stable-yuan.png

Yes, but here’s the catch. Assume that Chinese Yuan appreciates 20% over the next five years. Thus, the GDP will get a 20% boost, when you convert Yuan to US dollar. And, 20% of 19 = 3.8
Thus, China’s GDP in 2025 = $19t + $3.8t = $22.8 trillion!
China beats the US.
With stronger Yuan, the chart would look like this:
china-us-gdp-2020-2025-stronger-yuan.png

But … can Yuan appreciate? Isn’t China’s economy export oriented? And is the Yuan worth anything?
Well, China has changed a lot. Now, exports are only 18% of GDP. And don’t forget that imports are 15% of GDP. So, stronger Yuan means cheaper oil, coal, iron ore etc., which is a good thing for the world’s largest importer of raw materials.
Also, China is becoming a more consumption-oriented economy, where a stronger currency will be beneficial for the world’s largest middle class. For decades, the US has been complaining that China has artificially kept the Yuan low. Well, now the US can’t complain anymore.
Goldman Sachs
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that the Yuan will appreciate 4% in the next year. And it can very well recur for the next five years. Furthermore, foreign investors are
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Chinese bonds, which will increase the value of Yuan (more demand = more value).
bonds-foreign-investors-buying.png

Last but the least, China will soon introduce its digital Yuan (“DCEP”) to the world. It’s already
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. This will be the beginning of internationalization of Yuan and a
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. Many countries would gladly use DCEP to avoid the probing eyes and sanctions of the US.
Thus, with reasonable growth and a strengthening Yuan, China can surpass the US by 2025. Don’t say you weren’t warned!
 

Tyler

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The exchange rate was already at $US 1 = RMB 6 many years ago, but the rmb just depreciated for what reason?
 

j17wang

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Well, I found it. Here it is guys, the calculation to work out the date of Il surpasso.

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Objective, Nonpartisan and Insightful
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Most Americans cannot imagine China being the #1 economy, since they are constantly fed propaganda about America’s greatness and China’s imminent collapse. But the shocking fact is that China can very well surpass the U.S. by 2025. Here’s the math. I will try to explain it in a way that anyone can understand.
First, a quick clarification. When you hear the official GDP growth numbers, they refer to the “real” GDP growth, which is nominal GDP growth minus the inflation.
US GDP: Let’s assume that the US GDP growth for 2020-2025 is the same as the last five years.
Since 2020 is not over yet, we will roughly use
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that the real US GDP will shrink by 6.6%. I will say that the nominal GDP will shrink by 5%. In 2019,
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. That means, US GDP this year will be $20.33 trillion.
The US GDP grew from $18.22 to $20.33 in the last five years. That’s an 11.5% growth. Generously assuming the same growth for the next five years, US GDP will be $20.33 x 1.115 = $22.7 trillion by 2025.
Thus, US GDP in 2025 = $22.7 trillion
(The math is generous, because the US is drowning in debt — which will be very likely $30 trillion by the end of 2020. A lot of bad things can happen in the US in the next five years).
China’s GDP: China is the only major country that’s expected to grow this year. In Q2 2020, China’s nominal GDP grew 5.5%! Let’s assume 4% growth this year (which means a real GDP growth of less than 2%). With a
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, China will end this year with $15 trillion.
Now, between 2015 and 2020, China’s GDP grew 36.7% (from $11t to $15t). Let’s assume a SLOWER growth rate of 27% for the next five years.
That means, China’s GDP will be $15 x 1.27 = $19 trillion in 2025.
Wait! 19 is less than 22.7!!
Yes, in this case, the chart would like this:
china-us-gdp-2020-2025-stable-yuan.png

Yes, but here’s the catch. Assume that Chinese Yuan appreciates 20% over the next five years. Thus, the GDP will get a 20% boost, when you convert Yuan to US dollar. And, 20% of 19 = 3.8
Thus, China’s GDP in 2025 = $19t + $3.8t = $22.8 trillion!
China beats the US.
With stronger Yuan, the chart would look like this:
china-us-gdp-2020-2025-stronger-yuan.png

But … can Yuan appreciate? Isn’t China’s economy export oriented? And is the Yuan worth anything?
Well, China has changed a lot. Now, exports are only 18% of GDP. And don’t forget that imports are 15% of GDP. So, stronger Yuan means cheaper oil, coal, iron ore etc., which is a good thing for the world’s largest importer of raw materials.
Also, China is becoming a more consumption-oriented economy, where a stronger currency will be beneficial for the world’s largest middle class. For decades, the US has been complaining that China has artificially kept the Yuan low. Well, now the US can’t complain anymore.
Goldman Sachs
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that the Yuan will appreciate 4% in the next year. And it can very well recur for the next five years. Furthermore, foreign investors are
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Chinese bonds, which will increase the value of Yuan (more demand = more value).
bonds-foreign-investors-buying.png

Last but the least, China will soon introduce its digital Yuan (“DCEP”) to the world. It’s already
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. This will be the beginning of internationalization of Yuan and a
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. Many countries would gladly use DCEP to avoid the probing eyes and sanctions of the US.
Thus, with reasonable growth and a strengthening Yuan, China can surpass the US by 2025. Don’t say you weren’t warned!

Lets keep this on the downlow...
 

Tam

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If China maintains a higher interest rate than the US and the rest of the world, investors will put their money into China because they are getting returns. This will also reduce or kill capital flight from China, but the other side of it, is that it will cause an appreciation of the Yuan.

However China cannot maintain pegging to the dollar because in order to do so, you have to match the amount of dollar being printed by the Fed, and you also have to match the low interest rates. At one point, China can weaken the Yuan by printing a sort of mini QE stimulus to ignite its post covid 19 economy, but there is a danger that can lead to inflation, plus the Chinese leaders lack the insanity to print trillions of their own money without proper justification. That for me is going to signal Yuan's rise simply because China's leaders are not willing to go to the uncharted regions the US leadership is going.
 

Tyler

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The rmb just needs to rally back to the exchange rate that was already achieved many years ago at $US 1 = RMB 6.03. That would do the job of overtaking for good.
 

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Alibaba’s financial and payment affiliate Ant Group has unveiled an all-in-one workstation with integrated blockchain technology combining built-in software and dedicated hardware accelerator.

The AntChain Station aims to accelerate the deployment of blockchain-related solutions by offering hardware encryption acceleration for privacy-preserving computation and enhanced security algorithms.

“We believe in blockchain’s potential to redefine trust in the digital age, and in solving real-life problems for our customers,” said Executive Chairman of Ant Group Eric Jing.

The station would allow a blockchain solution to be set up by an enterprise client within an hour, without having to install software and separate hardware.

"We look forward to working with our partners to make blockchain technology more accessible for users, as well as creating tangible value for SMEs, consumers and clients across a spectrum of industries,” said Geoff Jiang, vice president of Ant Group.

Ant claims that over 100 million pieces of digital assets are uploaded onto its blockchain solution platform on an average day.

It also signed a strategic agreement with Dell, Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo to make IT leasing services more accessible for SMEs through the use of blockchain capability following a similar partnership with Intel in May.

It hopes to offer blockchain-based solutions that also aggregate other digital technologies within the e-commerce group including AI, Internet of Things and secure computation.

Blockchain-backed solutions have already been used in industry sectors like IT leasing, global shipping, medical insurance claim processing, cross-border remittance and charitable donations.
 

AssassinsMace

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The "official" reasons why the Chinese consulate in Houston was closed are just excuses. Embassies and consulates have always been the staging grounds for espionage for the US in other countries. You see it in movies and TV shows all the time. The US wants to brag they have the best spies in the world yet claim they don't it. It's the most obvious that they would be used in that manner. I even saw on the news today China will most likely retaliate by closing a US consulate where they even mention US consulates are more important because it's their number one means of gathering intelligence in China and of neighbors like North Korea... So why close the consulate? It has everything to do with ego. The US is suppose to be number one in handling outbreaks... Domestic Chinese chip companies are getting billions of dollars in investment when Trump wanted everyone to be scared to touch China. If any economy in the world was going to recover first, it would be the US not China. And it's an election year. Trump looks like a failure and he's updating his playbook he used in 2016 to get elected. Trump and the Republicans hate the trophy culture. They don't like it when teachers give students "A"s for effort yet they're trying to give Trump an "A" for "taking on like no other President" not beating China.
 
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What happened to threats of more tariffs if China doesn't buy US lobsters? What happened to slapping tariffs on the rest of China's exports to the US...? If the US had all the leverage and wouldn't suffer, why not? Trump has to resort to symbolism now like closing the Chinese consulate in Houston. It doesn't hurt the US until China retaliates and they always rather believe China wouldn't dare because they want to believe they're the ones in control.
 

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No need for help from other countries if the US alone had so much power over China. The US trying to outsource the pain so the US can feel like it doesn't hurt much and go on thinking the US is omnipotent. Closing the Chinese Houston consulate is from the Cold War playbook. Problems is the Soviet Union wasn't the economic engine of the world. Has US actions against China stopped China's economy? Did it stop China from launching a rocket to Mars? How about stopping investment into Chinese technology? They'll try to take credit for that too by believing Americans are the ones investing billions but Trump has been threatening to cut-off American investments into China. It's means there's confidence in China. Trump's technology blacklist was about stopping everyone in the world including in China itself from investing into Chinese technology. It says people see Chinese independence from the US more likely than the US destroying China's economy. Do we see US tech being flooded with money. If it's happening, it's minimal not enough to get the attention of the media. Does anybody think the US will not be demanding China buy US treasuries and bonds to help in their recovery after the US has been threatening not to payback to China the ones it holds now? How about all the other countries that need China to buy their products for the well-being of their economies? Hence why the US is relegated to throwing it out there that the world has to gang-up against China and not a matter of fact now.
 
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