Chinese cruise and anti-ship missiles

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Troika

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advill said:
The PLA-N is becoming more aggressive with spats in the South China Sea and the East China Sea in 2010. It intends to claim all these waters for "historical reasons" and as its EEZ. The only obstacle it faces is the USN Carrier Strike Groups. The Chinese is experimenting with cruise missiles (both land base and on warships) to counter the US interference. If there is no check and balance, the PLA-N will dominate the South China and adjacent Seas possibly within 10 years. Preparations have been made to dominate the Indian Ocean with the use of the "String of Pearls" (i.e. China has built "friendly" ports at Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar etc). It has eyes on the Second Chain (from Japan to Guam) to ensure its warships & submarines can exit into the Western Pacific. China regulates its power from "hard" to "soft" according to the situation. It uses "Charm Offensive" to hide its real intentions. Unless the US Navy and the other Navies (Japan, South Korea, India, Australia and ASEAN) cooperates and balance the Chinese Maritime ambitions, Mao's wish for "THE EAST IS RED" could become a reality.
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You obviously haven't read the rules. Do so, or you are not long for this board. :nono:
 
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advill said:
The PLA-N is becoming more aggressive with spats in the South China Sea and the East China Sea in 2010. It intends to claim all these waters for "historical reasons" and as its EEZ. The only obstacle it faces is the USN Carrier Strike Groups. The Chinese is experimenting with cruise missiles (both land base and on warships) to counter the US interference. If there is no check and balance, the PLA-N will dominate the South China and adjacent Seas possibly within 10 years. Preparations have been made to dominate the Indian Ocean with the use of the "String of Pearls" (i.e. China has built "friendly" ports at Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar etc). It has eyes on the Second Chain (from Japan to Guam) to ensure its warships & submarines can exit into the Western Pacific. China regulates its power from "hard" to "soft" according to the situation. It uses "Charm Offensive" to hide its real intentions. Unless the US Navy and the other Navies (Japan, South Korea, India, Australia and ASEAN) cooperates and balance the Chinese Maritime ambitions, Mao's wish for "THE EAST IS RED" could become a reality.
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you might want to dial down on this China fear stuff. We here try not to fall into the media trap of "China is bad and trying to take over the world". And the most important part is that this thread is on anti-ship missiles and not China fear. So if you want to talk about that, start in a different forum.
 
asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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the thing i dont get about anti-ship missiles is they all have long ranges say 200km but how can they see a ship 200km away if the radar on board can detect to only say 100km away? how can u hit something if u cant see it

the so missile range seems useless the deciding factor is the range of the radar? and if these missiles are shore based then they arent any good cus then u can only track so far out to sea beyond which u dont know what lies,thenu firing a missle without seeing a target no matter how much is the missile range
 
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Typical approach is to use off-board sensors to detect the target. The missile is fired at a predicted position. Once it gets within a dozen kilometers or so, it uses its own sensors to find the target. It may receive mid-course updates from off-board sensors, if that is available.
 
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RedMercury said:
Typical approach is to use off-board sensors to detect the target. The missile is fired at a predicted position. Once it gets within a dozen kilometers or so, it uses its own sensors to find the target. It may receive mid-course updates from off-board sensors, if that is available.
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The missile will arrive at a waypoint programmed into the missile at launch or by a remote sensor in flight via some sort of data link. Once it reaches the waypoint it conducts a search, usually using radar, but it could be by a infrared sensor. If there is a target it will lock it and attack that target. What it locks on to depends on what is around the waypoint when it arrives. it might be a naval target, it might not. The more sensors, such as a multi sensor seeker like that on the Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile, and the more opportunities for a man in the loop the better the chances the missile finds a militarily valuable target and is not expended uselessly or worse, strikes neutral shipping. This is a major consideration in waters crowded with commercial shipping that have every right to be there but are owned by nations that don't have a dog in the fight. It can be very expensive to have your missiles home on neutral shipping rather than your enemy.
 
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Schumacher

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While everyone is looking at J20, here is something probably even more significant.
What makes this more interesting is that China media has in this few days talked about progress made in some BM tests carried out last September. Maybe some connection between these two news.

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China 'stepping up anti-carrier missile tests'

(AFP) – 1 hour ago

TOKYO — China is stepping up efforts to deploy a "carrier-killer" missile system, the commander of the US Pacific Command has said in an interview with a Japanese newspaper published on Tuesday.

"The anti-ship ballistic missile system in China has undergone extensive testing," Admiral Robert Willard told the Asahi Shimbun in Honolulu, according to a transcript of the interview on its website.

Willard said China appeared to have achieved "initial operational capability" but it would take "several more years" before fully deploying the system.

US military analysts have warned China is developing a new version of its Dongfeng 21 missile that could pierce the defences of even the most sturdy US naval vessels and has a range far beyond Chinese waters.

Washington has expressed rising concern over China's military intentions following a string of double-digit increases in Chinese military spending and the rapid modernisation of its armed forces.

In the interview, Willard also said China aims to become a global military power by extending its influence beyond its regional waters.

"They are focused presently on what they term their near seas -- the Bohai, Yellow Sea, South China Sea, East China Sea," Willard said.

"I think they have an interest in being able to influence beyond that point, and they have aspirations to eventually become a global military," he said. "In the capabilities that we're seeing develop, that is fairly obvious."
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Subedei

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According to WSJ:

Admiral Robert Willard, the top US commander in the Pacific, said the Chinese ballistic missile, which was designed to threaten US aircraft carriers in the region, had reached “initial operational capability”.
 
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Subedei said:
According to WSJ:

Admiral Robert Willard, the top US commander in the Pacific, said the Chinese ballistic missile, which was designed to threaten US aircraft carriers in the region, had reached “initial operational capability”.
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Take it with a pinch of salt -- they consider "the start of extensive testing of components" as IOC.
 
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China moving toward deploying anti-carrier missile


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– Tue Dec 28, 3:14 am ET
BEIJING – China is moving closer to deploying a ballistic missile designed to sink an aircraft carrier, the commander of the U.S. Pacific Command said in newspaper interview published Tuesday.
Adm. Robert Willard told Japan's Asahi Shimbun newspaper that he believed the Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile program had achieved "initial operational capability," meaning that a workable design had been settled on and was being further developed.
Known among defense analysts as a "carrier killer," the Dong Feng 21D missile would be a game-changer in the Asian security environment, where U.S. Navy aircraft carrier battle groups have ruled the waves since the end of World War II.
The DF 21D's uniqueness is in its ability to hit a powerfully defended moving target with pinpoint precision — a capability U.S. naval planners are scrambling to deal with.
The system's component parts have likely been designed and tested, but U.S. sources have not detected an over-water test to see how well it can target a moving ship, Willard said.
Years of tests are probably still needed before the missile can be fully deployed, he said. The system requires state-of-the-art guidance systems, and some experts believe it will take China a decade or so to field a reliable threat.
The missile is considered a key component of China's strategy of denying U.S. planes and ships access to waters off its coast. The strategy includes overlapping layers of air defense systems, naval assets such as submarines, and advanced ballistic missile systems — all woven together with a network of satellites.
At its most capable, the DF 21D could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 900 miles (1,500 kilometers).
That could seriously weaken Washington's ability to intervene in any potential conflict over Taiwan or North Korea, as well as deny U.S. ships safe access to international waters near China's 11,200-mile (18,000-kilometer) -long coastline.
Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu on Tuesday referred questions about Willard's comments to military departments, but reiterated China's insistence that its expanding military threatens no one.
"I can say that China pursues a defensive national policy. ... We pose no threat to other countries. We will always be a force in safeguarding regional peace and stability," Jiang told reporters at a regularly scheduled news conference.
While China's Defense Ministry never comments on new weapons before they become operational, the DF 21D — which would travel at 10 times the speed of sound and carry conventional payloads — has been much discussed by military buffs online.
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I wonder where they're getting this information.
 
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