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tphuang

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the problem that I have with this is that a lot of these guys are treated as their words are gold. I'm not sure who this guy even is. I can personally make up a bunch of stuff like this and make it sound believable. For example, do I believe all of J-8s will be retired from PLANAF in two years? no. And the part about XAC's export project having the same air superiority capability as T-50, how is that believable?
 

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1. WS15 has started testing on aerial testing platform.

2. PLANAF retiring all J-8 series within 2 years and retiring all J-7 within 6 years.

3. J-10 follow on is planned to be finalized by year end, deployed within 8 years.

4. Because of new technology source, large thrust aero engine development will have fast progress.

5. WS10A II finished flight testing, already able to deploy. Goal is to deploy with 1st division next year.

6. WS10B testing done, basically passed. J-11 manufacturing bottleneck component has been resolved.

7. WS10B-III has finished tests with 12 prototypes. Will shortly be handed to Factory 132, including nozzle. This type of engine came about due to willingness to experiment. TWR reached 8.9. Lifespan more ideal.

8. WS13A officially finalized. 3rd batch already installed. WS13B will return to the aerial testing platform next Feb to prepare for finalization.

9. Work on the new core has progressed.

10. 601 institute's progress on new plane is on target. Assuming funding availability, first light within 3 years. Predict will reach or exceed Typhoon's level.

11. Carrier-based plane's prototype building has started. Plan is also first flight within 3 years.
Prediction is that 8-12 copies of the so called J-15 will be delivered by middle of next year.

12. XAC new export fighter program officially start. Emphasis on air to ground. I think everyone has already seen the front view of the metal prototype. This project has entered technology finalization stage. Aim is to have air superiority performance at least reaching Russian T-50's level, with emphasis on high survivability in a modern country's air defense system.

12. FC-1 Egypt edition has received orders. Version with upgraded avionics is down the line, will have first flight soon (*may not be the Egyptian version*). The buyer of this version has already completed all technical details according to contract.

13. So called FC-2 *something something* officially start of investment. (may be carrier related)

13. Old J-10-21 stopped. New J-10-21 plan in progress, electric (digital?) prototype will be out soon.

14. XAC large transport cannot perform first flight before Spring Festival.

15. Started new combat transport project.

16. Unnamed aircraft of Hafei has received nod from PLAN. Antenna similar to specialized Y-8's "eight eye" antenna. Now working on the critical problem of taking off at 140 knots.

17. Hafei armed aircraft engine problem resolved. Plan to equip each group army with a regiment consisting of one squadron(?) of Changhe (helicopters) and one squadron of Hafei (aircraft).

This stuff is crazy. I don't believe any of it.
 

A.Man

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It Just A Beginning

据法国《观点》周刊6日报道,美国空军已经向中国航空工业集团公司订购了价值超过600万美元的教练机。
该媒体评论称,“中国人成了美国空军的供应商,简直是一场革命”。


美国空军首次向中国企业订购的飞机为SR20,制造商为美国的西锐公司,由中航集团下属的中航通用飞机有限公司全资控股。


今年3月,中航通用与西锐签订股东协议,成为这家全球成交量第二的通用飞机制造商的“老板”。


SR20是西锐的主打产品,因其优异的飞行性能、数字化仪控系统和安全降落设备,在全球拥有着稳定的销量。


美空军这次购买的25架SR20主要用作初级教练机,将装备到美国位于科罗拉多的一个空军飞行训练基地,该基地为美国军方培养了大量飞行员。


法刊评论称:“今后或许有一天,美军飞行员将在中国国产的飞机上接受训练。”

MS Translation:

France the perspectives magazine 6th, it United States Air has ordered from China Aviation industrial group company to value over 6 million dollar training aircraft.
Media commented, "Chinese into United States supplier of air force, is frankly revolution."


United States air force aircraft for the SR20 ordered enterprise to China for the first time, manufacturers for the United States West of the sharp Corporation, AVIC subsidiary of AVIC General aircraft limited, a wholly owned holding.


In March of this year, AVIC General West, sharp signed a shareholder agreement, becoming the world's trading volume in the second general aircraft manufacturer's "boss".


SR20 is West of sharp's flagship product, because of its superior flight performance, digital instrumentation, control systems and safety devices, with steady sales worldwide.


US air force purchased 25 SR20 are mainly used as a primary trainer aircraft, equipment to the United States at an air force flight training base for Colorado, which for the United States military has trained a large number of pilots.


Published comments by saying: "perhaps one day in the future, the US military pilots are trained in the Chinese-made aircraft. ”
 

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hmm, you do realize SR20 is produced by Cirrus, which just happened to be bought recently by China Aviation Industry General Aircraft. China is not going to produce it. I don't even recall if the purchase got approved.
 

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Roy Weinberg, once a pilot with US Airways, is now a captain for Spring Airlines in China. [Photo by Gao Erqiang / China Daily]

Job opportunities soar as airlines expand, Shi Yingying reports in Shanghai, Xin Dingding and Jiang Xueqing in Beijing.

After spending much of his career with the same airline, Roy Weinberg was, not to put too fine a point on it, bored.

So, about a year ago, the 48-year-old quit his job with US Airways and moved to Shanghai to work as a captain for Spring Airlines.

"I had been doing the same job for 20 years and have another 15 years to go," said Weinberg, who moved to Shanghai before bringing his family of four along.

"I said to myself, 'It's too boring. Let's do something else for a few years and then come back'."

He is not alone. Many of his aviator friends are now flying for airlines in Chengdu and Beijing, he said.

The companies, he said, have a strong demand for foreign pilots, especially younger ones. Spring Airlines, for example, employs a team of 30 foreign pilots, and Hainan Airlines has 46.

By the beginning of 2011, China was home to at least 1,300 foreign flight captains, according to Li Jiaxiang, director of the Civil Aviation Administration of China.

With the expansion of Chinese airlines, a serious shortage of talent has arisen. By 2015, China's aviation industry is expected to need 18,000 more pilots, according to China Business News.

"One of the chief reasons why we are desperate for foreign pilots lies in the long amount of time it takes to prepare our own aviation workers," said Zhang Wu'an, spokesman for Spring Airlines. Training a flight captain in China takes about 10 years, he said.

"Water that's far away doesn't do you much good if you are thirsty now," he said. "The quickest way to supply our needs turned out to be to hire foreign pilots."

A senior manager of a mainland cargo airline, who did not want to give his name, said that when the company was faced with a shortage of flight captains, it quickly began to recruit foreigners.

At a time when more and more air cargo is being transported in China, planes keep being added to the company's fleet and the demand for flight personnel continues to increase. In 2006, the company recruited eight foreign captains.

Between 2009 and 2010, when a group of Chinese flight captains retired, the company found itself without enough personnel to fly its planes. Its demand for foreign workers increased accordingly.

China's system for training pilots requires student to spend about 10 years preparing to become a captain permitted to fly a wide-body plane such as a Boeing 747 or 777, the manager said.

"Even if we had begun to train pilots when the company was founded, we still would not have as many captains as we need," he said.

So the airline went out looking for pilots from other countries. During the recent economic downturn, airlines in Japan, the US and other places cut jobs, giving Chinese airlines an opportunity to recruit large numbers of personnel.

Without much trouble, the company signed contracts with airline captains from more than 10 countries and regions, including Japan, South Korea, Europe and South America. Now more than 50 foreign captains work for the airline, making up 50 percent of the captains and 25 percent of the pilots there. The company plans to keep expanding its fleet in the next four years and eventually hire as many as 120 foreign captains, he said.

Because of the need for pilots, Chinese companies are willing to pay foreign airline captains "more than what they're worth", Weinberg said.

According to Zhang Wu'an, spokesman for Spring Airlines, Spring Airlines offers foreign pilots from $150,000 to $160,000 a year after taxes. The salaries of Chinese pilots, in contrast, usually come to between $93,250 and $108,800 a year.

The anonymous senior manager said Japanese and South Korean airline captains find their after-tax earnings in China are higher than they would be in their home countries.

"Foreigners are willing to come (to China) in part because they believe there will continue to be a strong demand here for air transport, which will give them a stable job," he continued.

What's more, the price of food and many other goods remains fairly low in China, which makes life easier for foreigners. And they often enjoy better terms of employment.

Unlike their Chinese counterparts, who usually sign a 15-year contract with an airline, foreign pilots can sign agreements obliging them to work from one year to three years with a company.

He said foreigners are valued because they can help Chinese pilots learn more about international flight routes and English.

"Even if we will have enough Chinese captains one day, foreign captains are still likely to amount for 20 percent of the total (we employ)," he said. "Such a workforce composition will help to improve the whole team."

In the US and most of the Western world, the oldest pilots and those with the most seniority at a particular airline are given the greatest amount of leeway to pick their own schedules, Weinberg said. That system used to be a cause of annoyance to many of his younger friends who now fly for Chinese airlines.

"Back in the US, their schedules weren't so good," he said. "That's why they took a leave to fly in China until they get better pay."

Chinese airlines prefer to hire young pilots in part because the country's retirement age in that profession is 60, five years in advance of what the age is in most other places in the world. The youngest foreign captains at Spring Airlines are in their 30s, said Xiao Fei, who works for the airlines' foreign pilot and student pilot management office.

Despite the increasing number of foreign pilots in China, the public had not paid much attention to them until a recent incident involving a South Korean caught its notice.

On Aug 13, the captain of a Juneyao Airlines flight ignored instructions coming from air traffic controllers at the Shanghai Hongqiao airport and refused to delay his own landing to give another aircraft time to make an emergency touchdown. The pilots of both planes said they were about to run out of fuel.

But an investigation by the Civil Aviation Administration of China found that the Juneyao Airbus 320-200 contained enough fuel to stay in the air for another 42 minutes, while the Qatar Airways Boeing 777-300ER could only remain in flight for 18 minutes.

Found to be in the wrong, the captain of the Juneyao flight was banned from continuing to work as a pilot in China. Among other punishments, the company is now prohibited from pursuing its expansion plans or hiring foreign workers.

Weinberg said the incident should be taken as a sign that China should improve the system it uses to ensure the safety of passengers and flight crews, rather than simply as something the captain should be punished for.

"This incident is a perfect example to show that more than one person needs to take responsibility," he said.

"There were lots of things that happened that created the situation. It wasn't one person making one decision at one time. It was a large event. In China, a captain is always the one who gets in trouble, while in America, everybody takes responsibility."

Why, Weinberg asked, isn't anyone looking at the part played in the incident by the air control officer who spoke to the pilot? He knew the person he was speaking to was a foreigner yet still spoke only in Chinese.

"It happened to me before," he continued. "They always speak Chinese to me. My first officer has to interpret for me since I don't know Chinese."

Zhang Qihuai, an aviation law expert with the Beijing-based Lan Peng Law Firm, later verified Weinberg's statement by saying "language turned out to be one of the chief causes of the incident".

Even though English has been designated as the official language to be used in communications about international flights, as well flights to Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou in China, Xiao said air controllers still speak Chinese to foreign pilots during peak flight hours.

"What happened to me many times is that everybody around me is getting commands in Chinese, and I'm the only English-speaking (pilot) in the air," Weinberg said. "They speak to me in English, but speak to everybody else in Chinese. I don't know what's happening since I don't know what other airplanes around me are doing."

If even one pilot is speaking English on airline radios, air traffic controllers should speak English to everyone else who is flying nearby, he said.

To prevent an incident like the one involving the South Korean from occurring, he said China should review the system it uses to ensure the safety of flights.

"Punishing one pilot doesn't solve any problem," he said.

Huang Yimin contributed to this report.
 

delft

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The problem of French air traffic control speaking French to everyone except for the few foreigners who were spoken to in English and who consequently didn't know what everyone else knew caused problems as late as fifteen or twenty years ago.
I don't really know that the problem has been solved yet. I suppose it is.
 

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Just a maybe silly question, but in mind of the "October 1" today as China's national day ... what's the chance of any mayor unveiling today ??? ... like SAC's new fighter, the Y-20's roll out .... come on ! :p

Deino
 

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Just a maybe silly question, but in mind of the "October 1" today as China's national day ... what's the chance of any mayor unveiling today ??? ... like SAC's new fighter, the Y-20's roll out .... come on ! :p

Deino

SAC's J-XX & the Y20 should be next year but there are talks of SAC's Strike (Silent ??) J11BS flying these few days.
 

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SAC's J-XX & the Y20 should be next year but there are talks of SAC's Strike (Silent ??) J11BS flying these few days.

Hmmm ... any guess of how reliable these rumours are ?? (like the ones before the J-20 had its maiden flight ?) ... and what are the chances of photos then ? Will SAC use this even to gain some good-promotion and PR or will it be secret until a friendly and courageous spotter shots & posts some photos !?

Deino
 
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