Red___Sword
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Please don't cite THAT name in this holy place where we called SDF - I thought this is kind of given?
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Please don't cite THAT name in this holy place where we called SDF - I thought this is kind of given?
Except that article sounded fishy. It claimed the WS-15 had a TWR of around 8.8 and asserted the existence of several other fighter projects that we've heard nothing about.
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Some rumours also claim that the CJ-2000 was indigenous, but that's the problem. They're all rumours. I find the article that talks about the WS-15 being based on the R-79 to not be credible though, because it asserts the existence and completion of a J-13 that we have heard nothing about.
Not Sure What To Believe!
Google Translation:
About WS10! cccp007 boss material, nutrients are ample. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Author: jcyjsk Date: 2011-9-03 View: 8106 From: [copy link] -
Han in that forum to run often, there's a lot of nonsense, but there are two non-nonsense boss, is the water dragon beast and CCCP007 boss, frequented know. The following is CCCP007 boss material.
ran for something!
one, WS15 flight station ready to begin test flight.
Second, the Navy decommissioned within two years all of the Jian-series fighters, Jian Qi series finished six back.
Third, Jian Shi successor to the late finalization of plans. And in eight years service.
Fourth, the engine because there are sources of new technology, large letter said the engine will have a period of great development.
Five, WS10A II engine test was completed, already in service, the target next year will be a space division to service.
Six, WS10B engine through the inspection, the basic eligibility, restricting the production of key components Jian Shi has been resolved.
Seven, WS10B-III engine twelve sets of experimental tests completed, the new batch will soon deliver 132 plants, with the nozzle. This engine is the result of the courage to try. Push the ratio of 8.9. Life is ideal.
Eight, WS13A has been officially established, to deliver the third installment has been installed. WS13B engine will be flying again in February next year to prepare sets of stereotypes.
9, the new core machine has been ended.
X. 601 good progress in the new machine, expected capital adequacy under the premise of first flight within three years, is expected to reach or exceed the level of the typhoon.
XI, carrier-based aircraft prototype work began. First flight is planned for three years. Jian Shi five so-called next year can be expected to deliver eight to twelve.
XII XAC new foreign fighters formally began, the focus is on the attack, I believe we have seen the prototype of the front metal map. The aircraft has entered the technology to freeze state. Air superiority aircraft to reach at least the target level of the Russian T50, focused on air defense system, advanced countries have a high ability to survive.
XII Xiaolong Egyptian type has received orders. Advanced avionics improved preparation off the assembly line, estimate quickly the maiden flight of the aircraft by the foreign user has completed all the technical details of the contract.
XIII, called the FC-2 program CATIC official investment.
XIII, Jian Shi -21 old has been terminated, the new plan is working 21 Jian Shi, electronic prototype out soon. Fourth, the West can not fly its first flight before the Spring Festival, the Grand Canal.
XV. New combat transport aircraft program has been started.
XVI Hafei a certain type of machine has been in the Navy nod, antenna use and transport eight special purpose machines, like the eight-antenna, now being addressed 140 take-off weight problem.
XVII Hafei armed machine engine problems have been solved. Plan after each Army regiment equipped with a machine and Changhe Hafei a unit of the machine.
关于WS10！cccp007老大的料，营养很充足跑上来说一些事情!
一，WS15飞行台准备开始试飞了。
二，海军两年内退役所有的歼八系列战斗机，六年后退完歼七系列。
三，歼十后继机计划年底最后敲定。并于八年内服役。
四，发动机上因为有新的技术来源，大函道发动机将有一个大发展时期。
五，WS10A II发动机经完成试飞，已经可以服役了，目标机明年将到空一师服役。
六, WS10B发动机经检验，基本合格，制约歼十一生产的关键部件已经解决。
七,WS10B-III发动机十二台试验型全部完成试验，新批次将于短期交付132厂，带喷管。这型发动机是敢于尝试的结果。推比达到8.9。寿命比较理想。
八，WS13A已经正式定型，交付的第三批已经装机。WS13B发动机将于明年二月份再上飞行台准备定型。
九，新核心机工作已经告一段落。
十，601新机进度理想，预计资金充足的前提下，三年内首飞，预计达到或者超过台风水平。
十一，舰载机试制工作正式开始。计划也是三年首飞。所谓歼十五预计明年中可以交付八到十二架。
十二，西飞新的外贸战斗机正式开始，重点还是对地攻击，相信大家已经看过金属样机的前段图。该机已经进入技术冻结状态。该机目标空优至少达到俄罗斯T50水平，重点是对先进国家防空系统有很高的生存能力。
十二，枭龙埃及型已经接到定单。高级航电改进型准备下线，估计很快首飞，该机外方用户已经按合同完成所有技术细节。
十三，所谓的FC-2计划中航技正式投资。
十三，旧歼十-21已经终止，新的歼十21计划正在努力，电子样机很快出来。
十四，西飞大运春节前无法首飞。
十五。新战斗运输机计划已经启动。
十六，哈飞某型机已经得到海军方面点头，天线使用和运八特种机一样的八目天线，现在正在解决140节起飞的重量问题。
十七，哈飞武装机发动机问题已经解决。计划以后每个集团军装备一个团昌河的机和哈飞的机各一个大队。
Google Translation:
About WS10! cccp007 boss material, nutrients are ample. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Author: jcyjsk Date: 2011-9-03 View: 8106 From: [copy link] -
Han in that forum to run often, there's a lot of nonsense, but there are two non-nonsense boss, is the water dragon beast and CCCP007 boss, frequented know. The following is CCCP007 boss material.
ran for something!
one, WS15 flight station ready to begin test flight.
Second, the Navy decommissioned within two years all of the Jian-series fighters, Jian Qi series finished six back.
Third, Jian Shi successor to the late finalization of plans. And in eight years service.
Fourth, the engine because there are sources of new technology, large letter said the engine will have a period of great development.
Five, WS10A II engine test was completed, already in service, the target next year will be a space division to service.
Six, WS10B engine through the inspection, the basic eligibility, restricting the production of key components Jian Shi has been resolved.
Seven, WS10B-III engine twelve sets of experimental tests completed, the new batch will soon deliver 132 plants, with the nozzle. This engine is the result of the courage to try. Push the ratio of 8.9. Life is ideal.
Eight, WS13A has been officially established, to deliver the third installment has been installed. WS13B engine will be flying again in February next year to prepare sets of stereotypes.
9, the new core machine has been ended.
X. 601 good progress in the new machine, expected capital adequacy under the premise of first flight within three years, is expected to reach or exceed the level of the typhoon.
XI, carrier-based aircraft prototype work began. First flight is planned for three years. Jian Shi five so-called next year can be expected to deliver eight to twelve.
XII XAC new foreign fighters formally began, the focus is on the attack, I believe we have seen the prototype of the front metal map. The aircraft has entered the technology to freeze state. Air superiority aircraft to reach at least the target level of the Russian T50, focused on air defense system, advanced countries have a high ability to survive.
XII Xiaolong Egyptian type has received orders. Advanced avionics improved preparation off the assembly line, estimate quickly the maiden flight of the aircraft by the foreign user has completed all the technical details of the contract.
XIII, called the FC-2 program CATIC official investment.
XIII, Jian Shi -21 old has been terminated, the new plan is working 21 Jian Shi, electronic prototype out soon. Fourth, the West can not fly its first flight before the Spring Festival, the Grand Canal.
XV. New combat transport aircraft program has been started.
XVI Hafei a certain type of machine has been in the Navy nod, antenna use and transport eight special purpose machines, like the eight-antenna, now being addressed 140 take-off weight problem.
XVII Hafei armed machine engine problems have been solved. Plan after each Army regiment equipped with a machine and Changhe Hafei a unit of the machine.
关于WS10！cccp007老大的料，营养很充足跑上来说一些事情!
一，WS15飞行台准备开始试飞了。
二，海军两年内退役所有的歼八系列战斗机，六年后退完歼七系列。
三，歼十后继机计划年底最后敲定。并于八年内服役。
四，发动机上因为有新的技术来源，大函道发动机将有一个大发展时期。
五，WS10A II发动机经完成试飞，已经可以服役了，目标机明年将到空一师服役。
六, WS10B发动机经检验，基本合格，制约歼十一生产的关键部件已经解决。
七,WS10B-III发动机十二台试验型全部完成试验，新批次将于短期交付132厂，带喷管。这型发动机是敢于尝试的结果。推比达到8.9。寿命比较理想。
八，WS13A已经正式定型，交付的第三批已经装机。WS13B发动机将于明年二月份再上飞行台准备定型。
九，新核心机工作已经告一段落。
十，601新机进度理想，预计资金充足的前提下，三年内首飞，预计达到或者超过台风水平。
十一，舰载机试制工作正式开始。计划也是三年首飞。所谓歼十五预计明年中可以交付八到十二架。
十二，西飞新的外贸战斗机正式开始，重点还是对地攻击，相信大家已经看过金属样机的前段图。该机已经进入技术冻结状态。该机目标空优至少达到俄罗斯T50水平，重点是对先进国家防空系统有很高的生存能力。
十二，枭龙埃及型已经接到定单。高级航电改进型准备下线，估计很快首飞，该机外方用户已经按合同完成所有技术细节。
十三，所谓的FC-2计划中航技正式投资。
十三，旧歼十-21已经终止，新的歼十21计划正在努力，电子样机很快出来。
十四，西飞大运春节前无法首飞。
十五。新战斗运输机计划已经启动。
十六，哈飞某型机已经得到海军方面点头，天线使用和运八特种机一样的八目天线，现在正在解决140节起飞的重量问题。
十七，哈飞武装机发动机问题已经解决。计划以后每个集团军装备一个团昌河的机和哈飞的机各一个大队。
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Agreed ... IMO sound in some points too good to be true .... what does the "Big Shrimps" say or think about it ??
Deino
RedMercury
Junior Member
Translation of 152:
1. WS15 has started testing on aerial testing platform.
2. PLANAF retiring all J-8 series within 2 years and retiring all J-7 within 6 years.
3. J-10 follow on is planned to be finalized by year end, deployed within 8 years.
4. Because of new technology source, large thrust aero engine development will have fast progress.
5. WS10A II finished flight testing, already able to deploy. Goal is to deploy with 1st division next year.
6. WS10B testing done, basically passed. J-11 manufacturing bottleneck component has been resolved.
7. WS10B-III has finished tests with 12 prototypes. Will shortly be handed to Factory 132, including nozzle. This type of engine came about due to willingness to experiment. TWR reached 8.9. Lifespan more ideal.
8. WS13A officially finalized. 3rd batch already installed. WS13B will return to the aerial testing platform next Feb to prepare for finalization.
9. Work on the new core has progressed.
10. 601 institute's progress on new plane is on target. Assuming funding availability, first light within 3 years. Predict will reach or exceed Typhoon's level.
11. Carrier-based plane's prototype building has started. Plan is also first flight within 3 years.
Prediction is that 8-12 copies of the so called J-15 will be delivered by middle of next year.
12. XAC new export fighter program officially start. Emphasis on air to ground. I think everyone has already seen the front view of the metal prototype. This project has entered technology finalization stage. Aim is to have air superiority performance at least reaching Russian T-50's level, with emphasis on high survivability in a modern country's air defense system.
12. FC-1 Egypt edition has received orders. Version with upgraded avionics is down the line, will have first flight soon (*may not be the Egyptian version*). The buyer of this version has already completed all technical details according to contract.
13. So called FC-2 *something something* officially start of investment. (may be carrier related)
13. Old J-10-21 stopped. New J-10-21 plan in progress, electric (digital?) prototype will be out soon.
14. XAC large transport cannot perform first flight before Spring Festival.
15. Started new combat transport project.
16. Unnamed aircraft of Hafei has received nod from PLAN. Antenna similar to specialized Y-8's "eight eye" antenna. Now working on the critical problem of taking off at 140 knots.
17. Hafei armed aircraft engine problem resolved. Plan to equip each group army with a regiment consisting of one squadron(?) of Changhe (helicopters) and one squadron of Hafei (aircraft).
1. WS15 has started testing on aerial testing platform.
2. PLANAF retiring all J-8 series within 2 years and retiring all J-7 within 6 years.
3. J-10 follow on is planned to be finalized by year end, deployed within 8 years.
4. Because of new technology source, large thrust aero engine development will have fast progress.
5. WS10A II finished flight testing, already able to deploy. Goal is to deploy with 1st division next year.
6. WS10B testing done, basically passed. J-11 manufacturing bottleneck component has been resolved.
7. WS10B-III has finished tests with 12 prototypes. Will shortly be handed to Factory 132, including nozzle. This type of engine came about due to willingness to experiment. TWR reached 8.9. Lifespan more ideal.
8. WS13A officially finalized. 3rd batch already installed. WS13B will return to the aerial testing platform next Feb to prepare for finalization.
9. Work on the new core has progressed.
10. 601 institute's progress on new plane is on target. Assuming funding availability, first light within 3 years. Predict will reach or exceed Typhoon's level.
11. Carrier-based plane's prototype building has started. Plan is also first flight within 3 years.
Prediction is that 8-12 copies of the so called J-15 will be delivered by middle of next year.
12. XAC new export fighter program officially start. Emphasis on air to ground. I think everyone has already seen the front view of the metal prototype. This project has entered technology finalization stage. Aim is to have air superiority performance at least reaching Russian T-50's level, with emphasis on high survivability in a modern country's air defense system.
12. FC-1 Egypt edition has received orders. Version with upgraded avionics is down the line, will have first flight soon (*may not be the Egyptian version*). The buyer of this version has already completed all technical details according to contract.
13. So called FC-2 *something something* officially start of investment. (may be carrier related)
13. Old J-10-21 stopped. New J-10-21 plan in progress, electric (digital?) prototype will be out soon.
14. XAC large transport cannot perform first flight before Spring Festival.
15. Started new combat transport project.
16. Unnamed aircraft of Hafei has received nod from PLAN. Antenna similar to specialized Y-8's "eight eye" antenna. Now working on the critical problem of taking off at 140 knots.
17. Hafei armed aircraft engine problem resolved. Plan to equip each group army with a regiment consisting of one squadron(?) of Changhe (helicopters) and one squadron of Hafei (aircraft).
Here is plenty I just don't understand.
Is Hafei in 17. Z-15?
Is Hafei in 16. Z-8 with radar?
Does 13. mean that prototype J-10-21 will be equiped with new FBW system?
Does 11. talk about a pre-series of J-15 and an entirely different plane?
Main question: what is the status of this document, can we believe it?
Is Hafei in 17. Z-15?
Is Hafei in 16. Z-8 with radar?
Does 13. mean that prototype J-10-21 will be equiped with new FBW system?
Does 11. talk about a pre-series of J-15 and an entirely different plane?
Main question: what is the status of this document, can we believe it?