Chinese Aviation Industry

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
problem is ARJ-21 is just not an advanced design by any imagination. On top of that, it uses the same generation of engine as E-Jet series despite coming over a decade later. Compared to that, Russia's SSJ-100 use SAM-146 engine which is half a generation newer in efficiency and a full generation ahead in terms of maintenance. And MRJ, which uses an engine that's a full generation newer. It wouldn't have been a problem had it actually gone into service on time, but it didn't.

As i said before, all the airliners are getting larger. The 30 to 50 seats jets are getting completely removed from service. Bombardier and Embraer are no longer investing into the 70 to 90 seat market. Airliners are now looking at 90+ seat class of airliners to replace all of that. It looks like COMAC is effectively doing that when you consider how slowly ARJ-21 has been moving forward. All the resources are going to C919.

You are clearly wrong here. You try to defend indefensible position clearly doesn't make you look smart. If that were true than Bombardier and Embraer would go bankrupt But they are thriving like never before .ARJ 21 might not be the most advanced regional jet but they are cheap enough with local supplier. For your information the get 23 new order and over 400 solid order So who care what Mitsubishi does!.

This paragraph should completely debunk your nonsense response. It clearly said the growth come from small town and regional airport and out of 15 airplane that they own 13 are regional plane

“By 2020 we want to have 40-50 planes,” said Lan Yu, brand manager at Guangxi Beibu Gulf Airlines, a newcomer set up by the government of southwestern Guangxi province and Tianjin Airlines in 2015. Tianjin Airlines is a unit of HNA, an aviation and shipping giant with more than $100 billion in assets.

But China’s new breed of carrier is focusing on second- and third-tier Chinese cities that have gleaming, newly built airports that helped stoke an 8.2 percent rise in domestic passenger traffic in 2015, according to the International Air Transport Association.

Guangxi Beibu will fly 13 Embraer E190 regional jets and three Airbus A320s to 28 Chinese cities by the end of 2016, Lan said. With average seat occupancy of more than 90% since flights began, Lan said the carrier was already profitable.
 
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SamuraiBlue

Captain
Reuters article about the joint sino-russian wide-body projet. A mock-up of the plane was presented, and more information about the projet.

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The one in the link is definitely not a mock up. It's a model at best. To construct a mock up you need a detail design of the plane first which I doubt either side have a clue yet beside it being a wide body jet.
 

weig2000

Captain
The fact the ARJ-21 has 400 orders in the bag is sufficient and enough said

Exactly. It has a torturous development, but as China's first commercial jet, it's a huge step for it to be in commercial service and have over 400 in its order book now. It now has the chance to further improve and develop follow-on models.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
ARJ-21 is indeed less shining than many on the market. But being technological inferior is not going to dismiss its validity. The truth is and will remain to be is that "Tech is only one of many factors that determine the market success, and very often than not, Tech is not the Nr.1 factor".

Take the car for example, the top selling cars are not BMW and Mercedes but second tier brands. Now, more than half?? of Chinese car sales are made by brands unknown to the outside and surely inferior to BMW and Mercedes in terms of performance, bells and whistles. Why would ARJ-21 not being able to do just that?
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
The one in the link is definitely not a mock up. It's a model at best. To construct a mock up you need a detail design of the plane first which I doubt either side have a clue yet beside it being a wide body jet.
"Good" comment from you on 1 out of 588 words of that article. Very "insightful". o_O Anything that we don't already know?
 

kroko

Senior Member
according to this article china is buying 2 beriev-200 planes from russia and possibly more 2 in the future. I wonder why china is buying them, when ag-600 is already in prototype status. And why so few?

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this article refers a sale of 1 ka-32 (civilian version of ka-27), 1 mi-171 and 1 ansat from russia to a private company in china.

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