Is this new footage?
Chinese air to ground weapons (missiles, PGMs, etc)
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Yes, that clip is from CCTV back in 2020, 1:24 timestamp below.
Of course the actual event likely took place some years even before that, and likely is just a J-8II being used for flight testing the weapon.
Nothing too exciting.
Generals of PLAAF do not trust GPS for it being an American system, and BeiDou construction were completed in 2021,you can’t expect something like JDAM being widely distributed in PLAAF for now,I do know that they once bought some LS-6 for test but not in large quantity.
Are they serious?
One of the most important things in a war is Guided ammunition.
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May be their preference is on longer range guided weapons that can be launched outside enemy's long range air defense missiles. Public information on longest range of China's glide bomb as shown in past airshows is 110km which mean aircraft carrying them would have to face the risk of being shot down by area defense SAM.Are they serious?
For short range guided munition and glide bombs, they have those that can be carried by GJ-1 and GJ-2, and also the still un-disclosed guided bombs/missiles on GJ-11. Using UCAV means there won't lose human pilots if large number of the UCAV got shot down.
Also China is quite advance in suicide drones, I believe they would observe the effectiveness of suicide drones in Russia-Ukraine war, and will mass produce them.
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Yes, and the lack of PGM is a known problem for PLAAF( not necessarily in quantity but more about variety)Are they serious?
Although I do expect large quantity of satellite guided munitions join in service in the near future since BeiDou is ready.
I really don't understand this argument at all.
Chinese Beidou has been operational in APAC region for many years, and they have integrated Beidou into many other applications outside of a JDAM-like equivalent weapon. For navigation, sensors, etc, those would have all had Beidou integration since it came online in APAC.
More importantly, are we forgetting that the PLA has large fleets of AShMs, LACMs, SRBMs, and IRBMs as well? Those weapons all require at some level, satellite navigation integration to increase their effectiveness (especially LACMs, SRBMs and IRBMs).
So if the PLA are happy to integrate Beidou into their vehicle fleets as well as some of their most potent weapons systems, I do not see why they would find "satellite guidance immaturity" to be a reason not to procure PGMs.
... Additionally, are we forgetting that in terms of PGMs, there are many more guidance system options than satellite?
INS and/or laser, and/or EO/ImIR, and/or MMW radar, are all options for very potent and capable PGM families.
So if we are asking "why do we not see the PLA adopting PGMs/being widely distributed" -- well assuming that what we are seeing is reflective of the PLA's actual fielding of them -- then "PLA distrust/immaturity of Beidou" is just not a logical answer, because:
1. They've been happy to use Beidou in a large number of other applications in the PLA, including general navigation but also for a variety of long range weapons
2. There are many effective guidance options for PGMs outside of satellite, yet the current PGM that we can only confirm to be in widespread PLA use is the 500kg LGB.
The most likely answer to "why do we not see the PLA adopting PGMs/being widely distributed," IMO is a combination of:
A: there is likely a degree of PLA secrecy deliberately concealing what PGMs they actually do use and how widely it's used, but also...
B: the PLA likely correctly recognizes that the use of direct attack munitions (i.e.: unpowered PGMs like traditional JDAM-style weapons etc) is dependent on being able to achieve air superiority and sufficient SEAD/DEAD against an enemy to get within at least 20km of the ground target to make use of your PGM, and given the PLA's primary focus is still against fighting a highly capable foe like the US, they probably recognize that they do not yet have the ability to achieve that extent of air superiority against US ground locations in the region --- and also that at present the opportunity cost for large scale procurement of PGMs for use against other non-US adversaries, may be a bit much.
Now, I expect reason B to change a little bit as the PLA will probably realize that there are a number of conflict situations that don't involve the US where a potent PGM capability would be very useful, and also because they will increasingly have a bit more money to throw around. Newer PGM types such as wingkit PGMs (100kg and 250kg-500kg class) can also enable extended engagement ranges, which slightly reduces the demands of air superiority and SEAD/DEAD threshold for effective PGM utilization.
This is a good summary of the explanation for previous doubts about the PLA's capabilities in this regard.
The chip, the chip wasn’t fully domestic manufactured until 2021
? Umm source,?
More importantly, even if that were true, how does that change anything that I wrote before.