And China should do whatever it takes to keep it that way, a united Korea is not in China's interest. Look how much help China has given to North Vietnam, once they unify they turn on China just like that.
China's strategy in Korean peninsula
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And China should do whatever it takes to keep it that way, a united Korea is not in China's interest. Look how much help China has given to North Vietnam, once they unify they turn on China just like that.
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A united Korea under Bejing's influence is not a US interests either. So I doubt it that they will ever be united in my lifetime. Now as far as countries turning to or against China comes and goes through out the ages. Look at the Philippines for example before Duterte came to office, the rhetoric used to be against but now it has totally soften.
Philippine is not Vietnam or Korea, they were not under the sinosphere, they don't have the work ethics that that sinosphere country do. Vietnam, Korea and Japan are all part of it.
Vietnam would never have gotten its Independence without Chinese help, and once they do, they were suppose to be under Chin'a influence, but look how fast they betray China? Its very unlikely they will became pro China again.
The same thing goes for Korea, South Korean nationalism is absolutely crazy right now, their media are very anti China and anti Chinese, they are not yet unified and acting like this, South Korean wipe themselves into a nationalist frenzy and uses fake history and said Chinese stole ancient Korean land which by logic now belong to them, basically they want China to give up part of this territory to North Korea. The situation was getting so heated up few years ago Chinese government had to officially talk to South Korea government to tell them to tone it down. In North Korea itself they are not so pro China either, they run their independent policy and never really taken Chinese's interest into considerations.
Just imagine what a ultra nationalist unified Korea would do? A divided Korea will focus on each other, a united Korea will focus on China. A unified Korea with Chinese help will NOT be pro China just like a united Vietnam with China's help is not pro China, do not suffer the illusion that China can control them.
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Ultra nationalist South Koreans usually derived from those crazy brainwashed religious groups. It doesn't matter how they or Vietnam felt about China because both are too small in population, money, and size to really take on China alone. It is not China's job or anyone to appease their feelings and positive view towards China. Not every Asian people in Asian country are a China hater forever no matter what the rhetoric has been put out.
Yes China cannot control how other people sees it, but what China have a large say in the fate of future Korea, unification or no unification.
Therefore its NOT in China's interest to have a unified Korea, just as it was a mistake for China to unify Vietnam.
ps.. the anti Chinese hate in Korea is very widespread, its not just those crazy brainwashed religious groups that you think.
I agree with most of your thought except that I think you are giving the "North Vietnamese betray" too much weight.
Let's revisit the history. Vietnam under various names (more accurately regimes or kingdoms in that part of land) had always struggled to expel the control of the various Chinese dynasties since day one. The day was 2000 years ago when the first state in that area was established by a Chinese general with local populations. Very often, the local rulers would try to gain acknowledgement from the Chinese emperors when fighting other factions for the Vietnamese throne or dominance. But right after they consolidated their control internally, they try to exclude influence and control from the emperors. They would even secretly style themselves as "emperor" which is a declaration of equalness with Chinese emperor, that is in modern term full independent. They only maintain the superficial obedience by addressing themselves King in correspondence with Chinese officials.
All this is to say that the recent "betray" is nothing new and China has experienced that many times but made the same choice anyway in the past. That should make you think why. After knowing the why, you may reach the same conclusion as the Chinese leadership made in the 1960s.
A hint to the thinking is "Sino-Soviet rivalry in 3rd world countries". If China did not support NV, Soviet will. If NV failed, US will stand at the Chinese border. If NV wan, USSR will stand at the Chinese border. Either way, China will be facing one of the super powers at her doorstep, nightmares. Of course, after the breakup of NV with China, China was facing a Soviet puppet at the door, but only a puppet not Soviets itself, big difference.
The point is at least at the moment of decision (1960s) China tried to play to China's favor, if succeeded (NV not breaking) the outcome would have been great, if loose (as what actually panned out), the outcome is not any worse than either super powers at door step. This is to say that China made the only logical choice back then.
One can not judge a historical event or decision in the past after the event has panned out. There is no "what if" in history. So using the Vietnam case as "bad" example is not relevant to the future Chinese position about Korea.
To clarify, my post #737 was regarding "mistake for China to unify Vietnam." only.
Regarding unification of Korea, I would say "it is Korean's own business without other (than China) big powers meddling", living with a unified Korea on the side should be alright with China so long as that Korea is friendly.
That rail line was put on the table when the two Koreas had a better relationship before Lee Myung-bak.
remember that 350 b trade surplus is not merely all come from China-owned company, a lot of come from US company that reexport goods to US, good example is Foxconn apple,
If, a big" if ", china is sanctioned, then foxconn workers will lose their work, but.... iphone price will be skyrocketing that only a little can buy, and Apple will lose a lot.
So will be Boeing, Ford, Gm, GE. and other big US company.
Not to mentioned China will import less from Japan and SK.