China's strategy in Korean peninsula

manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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MrCrazyBoyRavi said:
why can't China and Korea live together like USA and Canada like brothers ? Instead of provoking each other they should focus creating good relationship with each others. The recent moves by China to indirectly punish S.Korea for installing THAD will surely backfire. The more china tries to subjugate S.Korea , then more it will try to seek USA's alliance. Even Vietnam who fought a bloody war with USA is acting as a passive USA allies. China should learn how to have good relation with its neighbors if it truly wants to see peace in Asia and reduce US influence.
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I think you need to read through the 40 pages of this thread before posting such naive, superficial comments, Mr. Crazy boy.

Once China becomes more powerful and the US backs out of Korea, China's relationship with a unified Korea could easily be like that of Canada and the US. But, right now, China is facing down the most powerful country in the world fighting a battle of influence through a torn country. It must retaliate for THAAD because it is a security risk to China. There is hope to remove it peacefully; the new government of Korea is against it and Trump recently brought up a $1 billion price tag for Korea. If these forces proved unable to stop THAAD deployment, then the Chinese military must come up with an answer (perhaps missile batteries and radar systems installed in eastern Shandong facing Seoul). This is very normal behavior. If Canada were torn in half, half of which was a Russian/Chinese puppet installing a missile system aimed at the US, you bet the US would have to find a way to retaliate. America could not stand the thought of Soviet missiles in Cuba, could they? Or do you believe that they should just be a friendly neighbor?
 
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delft

Brigadier
Blackstone said:
Reason is while Canada and Mexico depend on the US for economic wellbeing and security, but both have their own foreign policy and at times they'll go against US interests.
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Canada is even member of US owned NATO and is following US policies closer than Finland ever did Soviet policies. Mexico, while not a member of NATO, isn't more independent either.
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
MrCrazyBoyRavi said:
why can't China and Korea live together like USA and Canada like brothers ? Instead of provoking each other they should focus creating good relationship with each others. The recent moves by China to indirectly punish S.Korea for installing THAD will surely backfire. The more china tries to subjugate S.Korea , then more it will try to seek USA's alliance. Even Vietnam who fought a bloody war with USA is acting as a passive USA allies. China should learn how to have good relation with its neighbors if it truly wants to see peace in Asia and reduce US influence.
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You mean the US hasn't been working to undermine China since the West was kicked out in 1949 ergo South Korea hasn't been helping the US, their ally, in that effort ever since? Why can't the US let go of its ego be bruised in getting kicked out and then being beat back in the Korean War after MacArthur wanted to use nukes to punish the Chinese for stealing China away from the West? Funny how China is suppose to get over the past but the West certainly hasn't.
 
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B.I.B.

Captain
AssassinsMace said:
You mean the US hasn't been working to undermine China since the West was kicked out in 1949 ergo South Korea hasn't been helping the US, their ally, in that effort ever since? Why can't the US let go of its ego be bruised in getting kicked out and then being beat back in the Korean War after MacArthur wanted to use nukes to punish the Chinese for stealing China away from the West? Funny how China is suppose to get over the past but the West certainly hasn't.
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Mace , you forgot CIA shennanigans in Tibet circa 57/8
 
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delft

Brigadier
Air Force Brat said:
Believe it or not China and the US have common concerns,
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They also have concerns that differ, China has an interest in a united Korea, US have not because it would loose them their suzerainty over the South. China has a huge interest in freedom of navigation in SCS, US has an interest in flouting their naval might in the area and threatening what was called gun boat diplomacy.
 
plawolf

plawolf

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THAAD is now operational in SK.

I guess the next big potential flashpoint would be when the US decides to test it out next time NK conducts a missile test.

Would be an interesting international legal question - what are the legal standings if the US/SK engaged NK missiles in international airspace? There is nothing stopping the US moving some launchers to the coast and having a crack at intercepting NK missiles aimed at the sea for example.

The UN banned NK nuclear and long range missile tests, but does that ban extend to 'normal' military excercises using decades old Scuds?
 
plawolf

plawolf

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This may prove premature, but I am cautiously optimistic tensions may start to recede if both sides can resist provocations after the opterational status of THAAD.

Trump seems to be drastically changing his tune regarding NK, and looks to be offering olive branches with his current policy shifts on direct negotiations and personal praise of Fatty K.

Maybe he has realised his gambit of trying to trick China into regime changing fatty K has failed, and realise he has no good military options in NK, so is trying to quietly reduce tensions to avoid getting needlessly into a fight that will cost him and America greatly for no gain.

The risk would be that there might be factions within his administration hell bent on a major war going behind his back to try and force his hand like they did in Syria.

Given how paranoid and aggressive NK is, it would not be hard for someone on the ground to prompt an overreaction from NK with some acts that would seem totally benign to a total novice like Trump, but which would be a clear 'red line' for anyone with in-depth knowledge of the history of the dispute.

Given his track record of 'decisive' actions, Trump may have already pressed the proverbial red button without realising it and find himself trapped in an all out shooting war before he realised what happened (if he realises at all). But at that point, he would be too committed to be able to easily pull back without loosing massive face, which given his temperament, would be all but impossible for him to stomach.
 
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AndrewS

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Registered Member
plawolf said:
THAAD is now operational in SK.

I guess the next big potential flashpoint would be when the US decides to test it out next time NK conducts a missile test.

Would be an interesting international legal question - what are the legal standings if the US/SK engaged NK missiles in international airspace? There is nothing stopping the US moving some launchers to the coast and having a crack at intercepting NK missiles aimed at the sea for example.

The UN banned NK nuclear and long range missile tests, but does that ban extend to 'normal' military excercises using decades old Scuds?
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I was under the impression that China already has a jamming station setup and ready to deal with THAAD whenever it switches on the radar.

Is that correct?
 
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AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
manqiangrexue said:
I think you need to read through the 40 pages of this thread before posting such naive, superficial comments, Mr. Crazy boy.

Once China becomes more powerful and the US backs out of Korea, China's relationship with a unified Korea could easily be like that of Canada and the US. But, right now, China is facing down the most powerful country in the world fighting a battle of influence through a torn country. It must retaliate for THAAD because it is a security risk to China. There is hope to remove it peacefully; the new government of Korea is against it and Trump recently brought up a $1 billion price tag for Korea. If these forces proved unable to stop THAAD deployment, then the Chinese military must come up with an answer (perhaps missile batteries and radar systems installed in eastern Shandong facing Seoul). This is very normal behavior. If Canada were torn in half, half of which was a Russian/Chinese puppet installing a missile system aimed at the US, you bet the US would have to find a way to retaliate. America could not stand the thought of Soviet missiles in Cuba, could they? Or do you believe that they should just be a friendly neighbor?
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A better analogy would be if Mexico started hosting the Chinese Army.

What would be the reaction of the USA?
 
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dingyibvs

Senior Member
plawolf said:
This may prove premature, but I am cautiously optimistic tensions may start to recede if both sides can resist provocations after the opterational status of THAAD.

Trump seems to be drastically changing his tune regarding NK, and looks to be offering olive branches with his current policy shifts on direct negotiations and personal praise of Fatty K.

Maybe he has realised his gambit of trying to trick China into regime changing fatty K has failed, and realise he has no good military options in NK, so is trying to quietly reduce tensions to avoid getting needlessly into a fight that will cost him and America greatly for no gain.

The risk would be that there might be factions within his administration hell bent on a major war going behind his back to try and force his hand like they did in Syria.

Given how paranoid and aggressive NK is, it would not be hard for someone on the ground to prompt an overreaction from NK with some acts that would seem totally benign to a total novice like Trump, but which would be a clear 'red line' for anyone with in-depth knowledge of the history of the dispute.

Given his track record of 'decisive' actions, Trump may have already pressed the proverbial red button without realising it and find himself trapped in an all out shooting war before he realised what happened (if he realises at all). But at that point, he would be too committed to be able to easily pull back without loosing massive face, which given his temperament, would be all but impossible for him to stomach.
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Engage the new president, see if THAAD can be pulled out. It's unlikely that'll succeed, so just shut down Lotte from ever doing business in China again, say something like too many violations were found from the inspections so they're now banned. Otherwise, gradually resume all other relations. Kill the chicken, and let the monkeys know that there's a cost, but I don't see much utility in going after the monkeys at this point.
 
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