China's strategy in Korean peninsula

Dfangsaur

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There is nothing implied in the article because:
  1. the red text "North" is not part of the Chinese texts. 南朝鲜 is just Sough(南) Korea(朝鲜) in Chinese.
  2. the paragraph is the words of Kim, when he said "If 南朝鲜..." he was referring to South Korea only, nothing else.
However, although there is no implying from this article, there is absolutely no doubt that any Chinese involvement on the peninsula has an military part according to the "mutual assist treaty" between NK and China.

Here is the paragraph concerned:

Here is my translation, see the highlights.

I have to disagree. Even though 朝鲜 means both North Korea and Korean ethnicity in Chinese, this is the first time I have seen a Chinese official publication use the word 南朝鲜. Even though this is a quote from Kim himself, the editor and translators had the choice to use 韩国 but they did not. They used 南朝鲜 instead and I believe that was deliberate and had its implications.
 
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Xi Jinping's special representative holds talks with South Korean top national security advisor
Xinhua| 2018-03-29 23:59:35
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Chinese President Xi Jinping's special representative Yang Jiechi held talks with Chung Eui-yong, top national security advisor to South Korean President Moon Jae-in here on Thursday.

Yang, a member of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee and the head of the General Office of the Central Committee for Foreign Affairs, said that China and South Korea are friendly neighbors and the bilateral relations have maintained momentum of improvement and development in recent years.

This year marks the 10th anniversary of the establishment of China-South Korea strategic cooperative partnership. Both parties should seize the opportunity, actively carry out the important consensus reached by President Xi Jinping and President Moon Jae-in, strengthen political communication, push forward the joint building of the Belt and Road Initiative, he said.

The two countries should deepen pragmatic cooperation, enhance people-to-people exchanges, properly handle sensitive issues so as to push for new achievements in the bilateral relationship and bring benefits to both peoples, he said.

Yang briefed Chung on the recent visit of top leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) Kim Jong Un to China. Yang said that as positive changes are taking place on the Korean Peninsula, the international community needs to take efforts to continue and consolidate the momentum.

The Chinese side expects the smooth holding of the inter-Korean summit and the DPRK-U.S. summit. China stands ready to strengthen communication and coordination with South Korea to work together to further ease the situation of the Korean Peninsula and push forward the political solution process of the Korean Peninsula issue in connection with China's "dual-track approach" and good suggestions from relevant parties, he said.

Chung said that after President Moon's visit to China last December, the bilateral relations have witnessed rapid progress. The South Korean side is willing to follow the consensus reached by the two heads of state, strengthen bilateral high-level exchanges, deepen cooperation in all areas, enhance people-to-people exchanges, and push for the greater development of South Korea-China strategic cooperative partnership.

Chung said the South Korean side speaks positively of China's recent successful reception for Kim Jong Un and the meeting of the Chinese, DPRK leaders. China has always been supporting the inter-Korean dialogue, advocating U.S.-DPRK contact, and has played a positive role in recent positive changes on the Korean Peninsula. The South Korean side highly appreciates that and expresses deep gratitude.

The South Korean side expects China to continue to play an important role in the Korean Peninsula issue and is ready to make joint efforts together with China to push for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and maintaining regional peace and stability, he said.
 

taxiya

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I have to disagree. Even though 朝鲜 means both North Korea and Korean ethnicity in Chinese, this is the first time I have seen a Chinese official publication use the word 南朝鲜. Even though this is a quote from Kim himself, the editor and translators had the choice to use 韩国 but they did not. They used 南朝鲜 instead and I believe that was deliberate and had its implications.

I guess you are either very young or your are not from mainland China. It is surely NOT the first time that Chinese calls South Korea 南朝鲜, either by government or by civilian. 南朝鲜 was used from 1949 all the way up to 1990s when China and SK established diplomatic relationship. 韩国 becomes more popularly used instead of 南朝鲜 out of respect to South Koreans, but one still choose by oneself and it is a individual matter.

In official environment, the full names in Chinese are used. 南朝鲜, 北朝鲜,南韩,北韩,韩国 are all simplified terms used in casual situations.

In formal diplomacy, I don't think the editor, translator or even president Xi has a choice of word other than strictly using the term that is used by the person who speak. Diplomatic translation is not ordinary translation. Translator A ONLY translate in one direction, the other direction is done by the translator B from the other side while translator A will take note of what B translates. After the meeting, transcriptions taken by both sides will be acknowledged and confirmed by the other sides to be official. Without it, one can deny one has made such statement. This is very serious business. No freedom of choosing words. North Korean officially use "South Korea 南朝鲜" in their Chinese language publication. See
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, the NK equivalent of People's Daily. So there is no way, China will use anything other than 南朝鲜 in quoting of Kim's speech.

When China deals with South Koreans in official capacity, 大韩民国 will be used at the request by South Korea.
 

PiSigma

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,“” which mean SOUTH North Korea(朝鲜)南朝鲜 instead of North Korea(朝鲜). This might imply Chinese support in a military context.
Don't know how old you are. But back in the day, like the 1980s or earlier, 南朝鲜 refers to south Korea. Since 朝鲜 is korea. The modern way of referring to south Korea was only recently adopted in the 90s and beyond not because Chinese people wanted to, but because south Korea requested they change it to differentiate themselves from the north. Just like Chinese people refer to Seoul as Han Cheng and only recently changed it to Seoul.
 

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Current Situation of North Korea, US and China . .....

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AssassinsMace

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Let's see... For the longest time China has been pushing the US to have bi-lateral meetings with North Korea as they want to declare an official end to the Korean War. The US before Trump rejected bi-laterals meetings in favor of multiparty talks because the US government saw it as rewarding North Korea for bad behavior. Fast forward to recently and the US media brags that Trumps planned meeting with Kim Jong Un insults China never meeting the young dictator and it was a coup for the US. Xi meets Un before Trump and the Western media stamps its little feet now paranoid that already accused allies are now allies plotting against the world. Trump thanks China for helping but still plans to implement slapping tariffs on China despite before declaring if China doesn't help. Abe demands denuclearization before any meeting but now feels left out from meeting with Un and needs one just to feel relevant.

I bet they thought Trump's meeting with Un before China is the old and idiotic Bill Richardson claim that North Korea is calling for help to the US to save it from evil China. One story out today claims China was totally caught off guard that Un wanted to meet Xi immediately. If that were true that sort of throws out the window the idea that North Korea wants to be saved by the US from China. Maybe they thought that Un would be Trump's puppy like before they thought Trump was going to be Putin's master after the election and they were both going to gang-up on China. Or like Vietnam cozying up to the US meant the people who beat the US was now going to fight China for the US? If a country is a US ally, they do have to worry about the US's diminishing international power. If the US goes down, they will get dragged down with them. For everyone else, they don't feel a difference or life actually gets better.
 

Dfangsaur

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I guess you are either very young or your are not from mainland China. It is surely NOT the first time that Chinese calls South Korea 南朝鲜, either by government or by civilian. 南朝鲜 was used from 1949 all the way up to 1990s when China and SK established diplomatic relationship. 韩国 becomes more popularly used instead of 南朝鲜 out of respect to South Koreans, but one still choose by oneself and it is a individual matter.

In official environment, the full names in Chinese are used. 南朝鲜, 北朝鲜,南韩,北韩,韩国 are all simplified terms used in casual situations.

In formal diplomacy, I don't think the editor, translator or even president Xi has a choice of word other than strictly using the term that is used by the person who speak. Diplomatic translation is not ordinary translation. Translator A ONLY translate in one direction, the other direction is done by the translator B from the other side while translator A will take note of what B translates. After the meeting, transcriptions taken by both sides will be acknowledged and confirmed by the other sides to be official. Without it, one can deny one has made such statement. This is very serious business. No freedom of choosing words. North Korean officially use "South Korea 南朝鲜" in their Chinese language publication. See
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, the NK equivalent of People's Daily. So there is no way, China will use anything other than 南朝鲜 in quoting of Kim's speech.

When China deals with South Koreans in official capacity, 大韩民国 will be used at the request by South Korea.

o_OI see. I was in fact born in 1996, that probably explains my lack of context.
 
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China, South Korea vow to promote political settlement of Korean Peninsula issue
Xinhua| 2018-03-30 22:54:23
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Chinese President Xi Jinping's special representative Yang Jiechi held talks with South Korean President Moon Jae-in at the Blue House in Seoul on Friday, with both sides pledging to promote a political settlement of the Korean Peninsula issue.

Yang, a member of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee and the head of the General Office of the Central Committee for Foreign Affairs, extended Xi's greetings to Moon.

He said the aim of his trip is to implement the consensus reached between the two heads of state and enhance bilateral relations and strategic cooperation.

This year marks the 10th anniversary of the establishment of the China-South Korea strategic cooperative partnership, Yang said, adding that China is willing to work together with South Korea to bring forward a healthy and stable development of bilateral relations.

Yang expressed the hope for continued leading and guiding role of the summits of the heads of state of both countries, strengthened political communications, solidified mutual strategic trust, deepened mutually beneficial cooperation as well as accelerated cooperation and more alignment concerning the Belt and Road Initiative.

Yang informed Moon about the visit of the top leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) Kim Jong Un to China, saying that China has long supported the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. He added that China supports maintaining peace on the peninsula and settling conflict through dialogue.

Stressing that the Korean Peninsula is at a critical point, Yang said tensions are easing and the overall situation could turn around for good. He urged all parties involved to promote smooth talks between the South Korean and DPRK leaders as well as the DPRK and U.S. leaders in order to reach a political settlement on the Peninsula.

China is willing to work with South Korea on achieving denuclearization, and maintaining peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula, Yang said.

Moon asked Yang to convey his congratulations to Xi on his election as Chinese president.

He said the South Korea-China strategic cooperative partnership has maintained a good momentum, adding that he expects bilateral relations to advance this year.

South Korea speaks highly of China's successful hosting of Kim, Moon said. He added that South Korea lauds China's constructive role in resolving the Korean Peninsula issue, and appreciates the country's contributions to de-escalating tensions on the peninsula in recent years.

The president said South Korea is willing to enhance coordination with China and together safeguard peace and stability on the Peninsula and that only dialogue can resolve any outstanding issues.

Yang also met with Chung Eui-yong, top security adviser for the South Korean president and South Korean Foreign Minister Kang Kyung-wha during his visit to Seoul.
 

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Your evidence of China's BLATANT role in the development of NK's nuclear weapons? BTW, Kim's visit will bolster China's position in future trade negotiations with the Trump administration. China did what she did in the Korean War in self-defense, a direct result of China's previous painful and bloody experience in dealing with foreign imperialists in the past 110 years since 1840. Blaming a cold war legacy on China alone is not fair anyway.

We all know NK couldnt develop nukes / do half the stuff they do without China's help, this is open knowledge. Do you want a pentagon source or something ? I realize China was acting in it's own best interests at the time, and has continued to since then, and because of that, NK has remained the Hermit Kingdom.

I do not just blame China's actions in the Korean war on the lack of development in NK, I blame China's continual meddling as China has developed quite nicely since then, and so could NK if China didn't keep it in this permanent buffer zone holding pattern.

It is because China is deathly afraid of having U.S. Marines on it's doorstep, that North Korea has been denied reunification with SK, and denied a modern, developed economy. Beijing has been pulling the puppet strings in Pyongyang for decades, please don't try to pretend kim just decided to go to Beijing on a whim.
 
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