China's strategy in Korean peninsula

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All these "news on China/Russia exporting oil to NK on the sea" is propaganda. If China want to send oil to NK, she can do so through the boarder which nobody can verify or monitor.

What we do know is:
Besides UN sanctions Trump demanded EXTRA sanctions on oil from China. China rejected that demand. Immediately, we see this "news" of Taiwan owned and Hong Kong registered ship departing from SK port and pumping NK Ships with oil. How much more fake, ridiculous and cheap can a propaganda piece be? This is the new bench mark.
I do agree that this whole setup is rather fishy, not to mention incredibly stupid on the smuggler's part. Then again false flag operations aren't exactly new in this context.
 

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Yet it doesn't matter whether propaganda is good or not. It matters whether it'll stick, and within the Western noosphere it's a sufficient excuse for putting tariffs on China, or blaming China for Trump's NK disaster.
 

tidalwave

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If push comes to shove, and war breaks out at Korean Penisula, China shouldn't directly fight against US troops. Rather give whatever supplies to NK to fend off US led attacks. HQ9, long range rockets, anti-radar, oil....etc. Rather UN violations than fighting US directly
 

AssassinsMace

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Remember the hypocrisy of the South Koreans. During sanctions with Iran, trade was going down with all countries except South Korea which was going up. The US apparently gave them a pass where Samsung got to sell a lot of electronics to Iran.
 

manqiangrexue

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If push comes to shove, and war breaks out at Korean Penisula, China shouldn't directly fight against US troops. Rather give whatever supplies to NK to fend off US led attacks. HQ9, long range rockets, anti-radar, oil....etc. Rather UN violations than fighting US directly
If that would work, China would never have gotten into the Korean War half a century ago. North Koreans are not trained in Chinese military equipment and have extremely poor morale and combat spirit. They will defect/flee en mass and the US/SK will take the peninsula if you entrust its defense to them. It is well-known that Kim IlSung he hid himself with his bodyguards in caves as General Peng Dehuai drove around looking for him to assume his post. When Kim was found and summoned to command his troops, General Peng slapped him in the face for his cowardice in front of all his men. I doubt his grandson and his troops are an improvement.

If the situation really gets physical, which I highly doubt, China will have to take its gloves off again and prove to the world that its Mao Zedong era combat spirit is alive. However, whether it engages in Korean War 2.0 to tie up those 1953 loose ends or instead swiftly ends Kim before the US gets there so China can occupy North Korea is another question.
 
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tidalwave

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If that would work, China would never have gotten into the Korean War half a century ago. North Koreans are not trained in Chinese military equipment and have extremely poor morale and combat spirit. They will defect/flee en mass and the US/SK will take the peninsula if you entrust its defense to them. It is well-known that Kim IlSung he hid himself with his bodyguards in caves as General Peng Dehuai drove around looking for him to assume his post. When Kim was found and summoned to command his troops, General Peng slapped him in the face for his cowardice in front of all his men. I doubt his grandson and his troops are an improvement.

If the situation really gets physical, which I highly doubt, China will have to take its gloves off again and prove to the world that its Mao Zedong era combat spirit is alive. However, whether it engages in Korean War 2.0 to tie up those 1953 loose ends or instead swiftly ends Kim before the US gets there so China can occupy North Korea is another question.

Back then China has practical nothing worthwhile equipment wise.

What China has now can help neutralize some air advantage US enjoy. It's all setup and then push-button, not that NK soldier has to work very hard.
 

manqiangrexue

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Back then China has practical nothing worthwhile equipment wise.

What China has now can help neutralize some air advantage US enjoy. It's all setup and then push-button, not that NK soldier has to work very hard.
The Soviet Union did. If Soviets could drop supplies to North Korea and they could defend themselves, China would have been happy to sit out. Instead, Chinese soldiers had to go into North Korea and use those Soviet equipment.

You think you can give good military equipment to untrained cowards who risk getting shot 6 times running away from their own duties to their country and these people will defeat the US?? It's not all set-up and push a button; I don't know where you got this idea from. This isn't MacDonald's kitchen; these are very complicated weapons systems that take a massive amount of training to use properly and troubleshoot when something seems off.
 

tidalwave

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The Soviet Union did. If Soviets could drop supplies to North Korea and they could defend themselves, China would have been happy to sit out. Instead, Chinese soldiers had to go into North Korea and use those Soviet equipment.

You think you can give good military equipment to untrained cowards who risk getting shot 6 times running away from their own duties to their country and these people will defeat the US?? It's not all set-up and push a button; I don't know where you got this idea from. This isn't MacDonald's kitchen; these are very complicated weapons systems that take a massive amount of training to use properly and troubleshoot when something seems off.

Chinese troops got involved because US and its allies forces counter offensived and pushed back the NK forces in South Korea and went deep into NK.
I don't think NK soldiers are cowards. Maybe some but not all. Some are very loyal and fierce. Chinese technical folks can and go into NK to assist them,

The baseline is NK is not worth enough to damage the economy if Chinese and US troops butt heads directly.
Yet, it worths enough to give some help to NK to fend off US attack indirectly.
 

tidalwave

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US strategy is to choke the oil supply to NK just like it did to Japan in WWII.
NK is not going to wait till that point when it's tanks and military trucks cannot run.

It's going to do something.
 

manqiangrexue

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Chinese troops got involved because US and its allies forces counter offensived and pushed back the NK forces in South Korea and went deep into NK.
I don't think NK soldiers are cowards. Maybe some but not all. Some are very loyal and fierce. Chinese technical folks can and go into NK to assist them,

The baseline is NK is not worth enough to damage the economy if Chinese and US troops butt heads directly.
Yet, it worths enough to give some help to NK to fend off US attack indirectly.

US strategy is to choke the oil supply to NK just like it did to Japan in WWII.

NK is not going to wait till that point when it's tanks and military trucks cannot run.

It's going to do something.
Going against the US directly, you go all out or you stay home. North Korea cannot defeat the US with any kind of assistance unless you count fighting a war for them as assistance. If you supply them with weapons, train them in basic operations 101, they will lose, Chinese weaponry will look like garbage, US will dissect the systems they capture and everyone will know China tried to help North Korea but failed and the US prevailed. This is worse than just watching them get their asses handed to them. If the US is to be defeated, Chinese troops will have to be deployed just like in 1950. If China decides it doesn't wanna butt heads with the US economically, then the best way to preserve control of North Korean territory is to destroy Kim before the US gets there and take over North Korea.

The oil choke may be America's strategy but China and Russia can supply oil to North Korea via their pipelines to keep it barely running. North Korea may want to do something but it has no options other than cursing out Trump and calling him a dotard. Any attack that Kim launches will result in his immediate destruction; it's absolute suicide. If that happens, China will be left with no defensible excuse for helping North Korea and will have no choice but to destroy Kim's regime and take over its territory before the US can.
 
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