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FairAndUnbiased

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Iran is an extremist government and whereas Saudi Arabia is quite liberal despite being a monarchy. Lumping Iran with countries like these 4 you mentioned is an intellectual crime. The Ayatollah mullah system is the most extreme in the ME by far and most conversative society in the ME and also the most closed country. Hard to get in and get out zero tourism and everyone becomes a suspected spy
Iran is no more extreme than Saudi Arabia. I do not think Saudi Arabia is liberal at all.

Saudi polls indicate that
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except the eyes; a further 11% want a full burqa. In contrast, despite compulsory hijab
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, and
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, a simple headscarf that does not cover the face or the back of the hair.

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. IRI has never had restrictions on female driving, living without a male guardian, or voting.

Speaking of tourism,
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AndrewS

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Trump is but a continuation of the trend, latent in American political culture throughout its history, but first brought to the fore in the post WWII era right after 9/11, to ignore multi-lateral collective problem solving international institutions and to blatantly lie to override considered educated opinions in pursuit of policy objectives.

The us vs them rhetoric that Bush used in the speech to Congress, the clash of civilization narrative more commonly used by the conservative circles at the time are really just more erudite sounding and politically correct versions of much more degenerate “shit hole” crass dog whistle that trump would use 15 years later. but they serve the same function. They are both aimed primarily at pre-1960 white men’s insecurity about multi-culturalism, and collaborationist approach to problem solving gradually robbing them of their privileged position, whether that position stems from their position in their own country, or their country’s position in the world.

It's not just multi-culturalism.

It's also female empowerment in education and the workforce, and the resulting imbalance between the sexes.
Historically, every male was much more educated and wealthier than any female - which made pairings easier.

But now, females have much higher educational attainment levels than males in US high schools, and account for 60% of college students in the USA

It means there are a lot more educated and higher earning women - who are unable to meet a partner who is their equal.
And these days, women don't need to settle.

At the same time, in the USA, 1 in 7 men have an IQ below 85.
That represents the cutoff for being able to perform any sort of job.

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So what is the result for men?

There are a significant number of low-IQ men in the USA who are unemployed or in low-wage jobs.
They are largely overlooked in the dating market.

The average man in the USA really struggles in the dating market, because the available women tend to be more highly educated or higher-earning.

So you can see where a lot of white male anger comes from, which Trump and the Republican Party tap into.

A similar dynamic occurs in other countries around the world, including in China.
 

Arnies

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Iran is no more extreme than Saudi Arabia. I do not think Saudi Arabia is liberal at all.

Saudi polls indicate that
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except the eyes; a further 11% want a full burqa. In contrast, despite compulsory hijab
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, a simple headscarf that does not cover the face or the back of the hair.

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. IRI has never had restrictions on female driving, living without a male guardian, or voting.

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Burqa? There is no Burqa in Saudi tradition so I don't know where you get that from.. Saudi Arabia is an open country to everyone by all definitions and there is safety on the streets for tourists and secure environment.

Unlike Iran which is by far the most extremist entity in the middle east and the most far-rights. Even for yourself you can get into Saudi Arabia at will and get out at will it is part of the freeworld and inter-connented to the world but not Iran is off-grid and secluded country.

Random tourists have filled up the Iranian jails for spy paranoia nobody goes there period.. It is North Korea type of shit going on there with it is notorious system.. Comparing Iran to Saudi Arabia is just an intellectual insult..

Saudi Arabia welcomes pre-covid approx 20-30million via tourism or Umrah each year... Iran on the other hand is one of the most secluded countries in the world next to North Korea and off the grid with very poor human rights or anything because nothing that happens gets out.. Iran is anti-free world and not connected to the world and has disconnected on purpose
 

Overbom

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Burqa? There is no Burqa in Saudi tradition so I don't know where you get that from.. Saudi Arabia is an open country to everyone by all definitions and there is safety on the streets for tourists and secure environment.

Unlike Iran which is by far the most extremist entity in the middle east and the most far-rights. Even for yourself you can get into Saudi Arabia at will and get out at will it is part of the freeworld and inter-connented to the world but not Iran is off-grid and secluded country.

Random tourists have filled up the Iranian jails for spy paranoia nobody goes there period.. It is North Korea type of shit going on there with it is notorious system.. Comparing Iran to Saudi Arabia is just an intellectual insult..

Saudi Arabia welcomes pre-covid approx 20-30million via tourism or Umrah each year... Iran on the other hand is on of the most secluded countries next to North Korea and off-gride no human rights or anything because nothing that happens gets out.. Iran is part of the free world
Please dont whitewash Saudi Arabia here. We all know that Saudi Arabia has been funding and promoting extremist Muslims around the world.

Anyway, this is a thread for Afghanistan, so we should stop talking about unrelated countries here
 

Arnies

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Please dont whitewash Saudi Arabia here. We all know that Saudi Arabia has been funding and promoting extremist Muslims around the world.

Anyway, this is a thread for Afghanistan, so we should stop talking about unrelated countries here

Bro I am not white washing anything here.. But just talking about ground realities. Example a chinese citizen would have no issues entering Saudi Arabia or exiting as tourist and there are many who go there today. Where everything is similar in accommodation and higher quality of life...

But in Iran a Chinese citizen can not conduct tourism there because he will be in constant danger first from being arrested by the gov't for spy suspecion and next by some vigilantes hence why I am telling you Iran is not what you think it is an extremist country that is secluded beyond belief..

Iran is another North Korea in the ME just in alot worse ways...


Main while the Saudis are building NEOM and want to gather all of humanity in that new provincial mega city of the future.. Both countries are day and night
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Bro I am not white washing anything here.. But just talking about ground realities. Example a chinese citizen would have no issues entering Saudi Arabia or exiting as tourist and there are many who go there today. Where everything is similar in accommodation and higher quality of life...

But in Iran a Chinese citizen can not conduct tourism there because he will be in constant danger first from being arrested by the gov't for spy suspecion and next by some vigilantes hence why I am telling you Iran is not what you think it is an extremist country that is secluded beyond belief..

Iran is another North Korea in the ME just in alot worse ways...


Main while the Saudis are building NEOM and want to gather all of humanity in that new provincial mega city of the future.. Both countries are day and night
I have had friends and ex-girlfriend (Filipino) family who's been to Saudi Arabia and U.A.E. the difference of lived experiences for those peeps couldn't be more different. Saudi is just plain and simple a very strict society where a woman can't be seen cavorting or be in a company of men, there's a strict separation between genders whereas their experiences in Dubai were vastly more open and far more enjoyable according to them.
 

Arnies

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I have had friends and ex-girlfriend (Filipino) family who's been to Saudi Arabia and U.A.E. the difference of lived experiences for those peeps couldn't be more different. Saudi is just plain and simple a very strict society where a woman can't be seen cavorting or be in a company of men, there's a strict separation between genders whereas their experiences in Dubai were vastly more open and far more enjoyable according to them.

There are approx. 50 muslim countries in the world and most them are diverse (Asians, Europeans, Arabs, other middle eastern ethnicities, Iranians, Af-Pak, South east Asians, Central Asians, Africans and other far east asians and plus island nations such as Maldives and Comorros) It is a civilization but they all adhere to Islam but there is not a single country where Islam is the constiution except KSA and Iran which makes these 2 states unique. While the remaining 48 countries are muslim but there is no islamic law by constitiution hence you can pretty much do everything like buying alcohol at the stores, going night clubbing, dating, doing drugs, concerts etc etc all that is free and accessable but not in KSA and Iran which is why using UAE as an example was very bad because UAE doesn't have Islamic laws as consitition and UAE as overall is way over relaxed than majority of other far east asians you can get away with stuff you can't elsewhere etc etc..

But of the two countries Iran is more conservative which may come as surprise to many but it is a fact and it has something to do with the clergy rule where as KSA is a Monarchy hence laws are less applied whereas the clergy rule takes it very serious because they are clerics
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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But in Iran a Chinese citizen can not conduct tourism there because he will be in constant danger first from being arrested by the gov't for spy suspecion and next by some vigilantes hence why I am telling you Iran is not what you think it is an extremist country that is secluded beyond belief..
Are you sure about that? The only Chinese spy I heard of getting arrested by Iranian authorities was a Chinese American who was supposedly spying on behalf of the US.
 

Heliox

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Burqa? There is no Burqa in Saudi tradition so I don't know where you get that from.. Saudi Arabia is an open country to everyone by all definitions and there is safety on the streets for tourists and secure environment.

Unlike Iran which is by far the most extremist entity in the middle east and the most far-rights. Even for yourself you can get into Saudi Arabia at will and get out at will it is part of the freeworld and inter-connented to the world but not Iran is off-grid and secluded country.

Random tourists have filled up the Iranian jails for spy paranoia nobody goes there period.. It is North Korea type of shit going on there with it is notorious system.. Comparing Iran to Saudi Arabia is just an intellectual insult..

Saudi Arabia welcomes pre-covid approx 20-30million via tourism or Umrah each year... Iran on the other hand is one of the most secluded countries in the world next to North Korea and off the grid with very poor human rights or anything because nothing that happens gets out.. Iran is anti-free world and not connected to the world and has disconnected on purpose

I have no idea what alternate reality you live in ...

The issue of attitudes towards headdress is in the click through links that @FairAndUnbiased provided. You offer no basis to support your disagreements whatsoever.

You can get into Saudi at will? Fyi, up until 2019, Saudi Arabia never issued Tourist visas. The only way to get into the Kingdom was via an invitation from a business or govt body or via visas for Muslim pilgrims on a Hajj (Umrah).

Iran is an extremist entity and nobody goes there period? Iran had >9 million tourist visits in 2019. Care to tell us how many actual tourist, non-Umrah visas were issued by Saudi in 2019?

Iran is not anti-free world or disconnected by choice. It has had the shit sanctioned out of it by you know who.

Your alternate reality sounds like the kind cooked up by western MSM ...
 

Heliox

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There are approx. 50 muslim countries in the world and most them are diverse (Asians, Europeans, Arabs, other middle eastern ethnicities, Iranians, Af-Pak, South east Asians, Central Asians, Africans and other far east asians and plus island nations such as Maldives and Comorros) It is a civilization but they all adhere to Islam but there is not a single country where Islam is the constiution except KSA and Iran which makes these 2 states unique. While the remaining 48 countries are muslim but there is no islamic law by constitiution hence you can pretty much do everything like buying alcohol at the stores, going night clubbing, dating, doing drugs, concerts etc etc all that is free and accessable but not in KSA and Iran which is why using UAE as an example was very bad because UAE doesn't have Islamic laws as consitition and UAE as overall is way over relaxed than majority of other far east asians you can get away with stuff you can't elsewhere etc etc..

But of the two countries Iran is more conservative which may come as surprise to many but it is a fact and it has something to do with the clergy rule where as KSA is a Monarchy hence laws are less applied whereas the clergy rule takes it very serious because they are clerics

Malaysian constitution allows for a dual system of law and for Muslims, Islamic law can apply.
 
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