China's strategy in Afghanistan.

Richard Santos said:

two questions must be answered before one could determine whether such an approach would’ve worked in Afghanistan.

1. Who would be the domestic constituenciesin the United States for this approach that would have the clout to spend the money necessary to do this in the first place?

2. without the narrative of “we have to be there because our enemy is still there and dangerous” and ”success if right around the corner”, for how long can the United States keep up what would appear to the large section of mean spirited short sighted america first political opportunists , who bash immigrants and the poor for a living, to be another unconscionable liberal largess at the expense of higher tax rates for the american wealthy?

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Richard Santos said:

there is already increasing reconciliation between the islamic world and Israel. The islamic world needs a venue for militant radical islam to vent in a way that does not overly inconvenience the the rulers with things to lose. That is increasing not israel any more.

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Richard Santos said:

At it’s core fundamentalist Islam is a much bigger threat to China than to the US. There are no really significant Muslim population in the americas. american entanglement with fundamentalist islam ultimately grew out of the importance of middle east oil, its impact on oil commodity price, the impact of that price directly to american economy and indirectly to the economies of American trading partners, and the American alliance system to offset Soviet interest during the Cold War, and direct military intervention tosecure american interest in Saudi Arabia, the gulf region and in the Levante since the Cold War.

With the declining importance of middle eastern oil, and the departure of US forces from Afghanistan, the number of places where America is really entangled with fundamentalist Islam has declined to really just american support for Israel. Gradually fundamentalist Islam will become primarily a problem for Russia, Europe and China, with american remaining a enemy in memory to Islam, bUt increasingly less in direct conflict of core interest.

Undoubtedly with departure from Afghanistan and with it effectively the last direct American occupation of Dal Al-Islam, there is a window of opportunity for America to more proactively enlist fundamental Islam in its competition with China. If one thinks islamophobia makes that unlikely, one needs to think back on the modern America proverb “only Nixon can go to China”. America also formed a de facto alliance with global militant Islamic fundamentalism once before, to hobble Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

So preventing a de facto alliance between global aim of militant Islamic fundamentalism and american antagonism with China needs to be one of china’s premier long term national policy goals.

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AndrewS said:

Then what does that say about reliability and commitment from the USA?

The question is, would it have it worked? And if so, why didn't the US do it? And what about next time?

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Mohsin77 said:

.... there are so many things wrong with this analysis that I don't even know where to start... I think I'll just let you "vent"

It is a nice fantasy though. You're very conveniently trying to salvage America's defeat and paint it as an accidental victory lolz.

Delusion level 100

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AndrewS said:

?

Venting against China has serious consequences.

China (unlike Israel) has serious diplomatic, economic and military tools available to make its displeasure known.

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Richard Santos said:

venting against israel has produced no satisfactory result for so long that militant islam is looking for an reason inside the islamic world. that seriously threatens the rulers with things to lose.

venting against china would be new and would not immediate turn inward towards the islamic world.

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