China's strategy in Afghanistan.

AndrewS

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Again, that something like the eventual abandonment of Afghanistan was inevitable had been obvious to most observers since 2002, 2005 or 2006 at the latest. You exaggerate the impact of the superficial appearance of what has long been seen as an fundamental inevitability.

You do realise that in the British parliament for example, the USA is being loudly denounced by its most pro-freedom and pro-US members. It's far worse than anything that happened under Trump.

Something similar is playing out all over Europe, and to a lesser extent in Asia.

Who is going to trust the US, whether it's the Democrats or the Republicans in charge?
 

DarkStar

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You do realise that in the British parliament for example, the USA is being loudly denounced by its most pro-freedom and pro-US members. It's far worse than anything that happened under Trump.

Something similar is playing out all over Europe, and to a lesser extent in Asia.

Who is going to trust the US, whether it's the Democrats or the Republicans in charge?
In a way, even the petrodollar rests on the belief that US military power will defend its clients in saudis arabia.

After A-stan, that bedrock is looking a little shaky, i must say.

Anyway, after a read of this,
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it got me thinking.

If biden's plan all along was to get leverage on the taliban ie withdrawal and recognition in exchange for TAPI pipeline so that US would be able to build TAPI with US firms building it and then controlling TAPI, is China going to potentially steal a march on the anglo americans by being the ones to build and incorporate TAPI into the BRI?

Was that what Blinken's meeting with Wang Yi was really about?
 
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Richard Santos

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You realize amongst all of the entire world’s cynical empty political gestures without any deep meaning, the British establishment’s criticisms of the US policy are the most cynically theatrical and meaningless of empty gestures, right?

And that was before brexit severed all other real lifeline for British aspiration to relevance, leaving Only near total and irreversible dependence on the US.

And the same time, while Europe may complaint, inwardly the endgame in Afghanistan only served to show, again, how europe had absolutely no capacity whatsoever to conduct any sort of independents foreign policy outside its own borders in the face of any forceful push back, so they are in even less of position now than during a Syrian crisis in 2014, before brexit, to play to any different tune from the US during any global crisis in which they have any significant stake.

How a “big brother” abuses his sibling may seem to the outsider to presage a family rebellion. But the real family dynamics is such that the abuse actually serve as reminder of why the big brother’s power to abuse I actually reflect other members of the family’s unbreakable total dependence on that big brother.
 
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Mohsin77

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Republicans supporting Taliban.

Religious extremists of a feather flock together.

This peculiar affinity is beyond "religious extremism."

Even Nietzsche 'flocked' in support of Islam in his critique of the 'mainstream' West.

At the core of it is an instinct, and that instinct, is highlighted in Nietzsche's "The Antichrist":

"Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (--I do not say by what sort of feet--) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin--because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life! . . . The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust--a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very "senile."--What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich. . . . Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more! The German nobility, which is fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won . . . The German noble, always the "Swiss guard" of the church, always in the service of every bad instinct of the church--but well paid. . . Consider the fact that it is precisely the aid of German swords and German blood and valour that has enabled the church to carry through its war to the death upon everything noble on earth! At this point a host of painful questions suggest themselves. The German nobility stands outside the history of the higher civilization: the reason is obvious. . . Christianity, alcohol--the two great means of corruption. . . . Intrinsically there should be no more choice between Islam and Christianity than there is between an Arab and a Jew. The decision is already reached; nobody remains at liberty to choose here. Either a man is a Chandala or he is not. . . . "War to the knife with Rome! Peace and friendship with Islam!": this was the feeling, this was the act, of that great free spirit, that genius among German emperors, Frederick II. What! must a German first be a genius, a free spirit, before he can feel decently? I can't make out how a German could ever feel Christian. . . ."
 

Abominable

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You do realise that in the British parliament for example, the USA is being loudly denounced by its most pro-freedom and pro-US members. It's far worse than anything that happened under Trump.

Something similar is playing out all over Europe, and to a lesser extent in Asia.

Who is going to trust the US, whether it's the Democrats or the Republicans in charge?
Those few MPs are in the left wing branch of the opposition party. They're so far removed from power they may as well be people on the street.

The UK is too intertwined into the US MIC for it to have an independent policy, influence or even opinion.
 

AndrewS

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You realize amongst all of the entire world’s cynical empty political gestures without any deep meaning, the British establishment’s criticisms of the US policy are the most cynically theatrical and meaningless of empty gestures, right?

And that was before brexit severed all other real lifeline for British aspiration to relevance, leaving Only near total and irreversible dependence on the US.

And the same time, while Europe may complaint, inwardly the endgame in Afghanistan only served to show, again, how europe had absolutely no capacity whatsoever to conduct any sort of independents foreign policy outside its own borders in the face of any forceful push back, so they are in even less of position now than during a Syrian crisis in 2014, before brexit, to play to any different tune from the US during any global crisis in which they have any significant stake.

How a “big brother” abuses his sibling may seem to the outsider to presage a family rebellion. But the real family dynamics is such that the abuse actually serve as reminder of why the big brother’s power to abuse I actually reflect other members of the family’s unbreakable total dependence on that big brother.

It's the most pro-US elements of the UK which are feeling most betrayed.

The lesson is that the UK shouldn't follow the US into a global crisis, nor support the US in its interventions.

Best to leave the USA to fail (or succeed) by itself.

The British political establishment has a far inflated sense of importance as a *global* power.
 

Overbom

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It's the most pro-US elements of the UK which are feeling most betrayed.

The lesson is that the UK shouldn't follow the US into a global crisis, nor support the US in its interventions.

Best to leave the USA to fail (or succeed) by itself.

The British political establishment has a far inflated sense of importance as a *global* power.
With all due respect but Britain was always deluding itself about the "special relationship" with the US. It really speaks to its declining & rotten security and intelligent apparatus that it ever thought that the US was "caring" for the UK (or any other country) and not about national intetests.

Today's statement from British Foreign Minister that they will have to talk to Russia and China to moderate the Taliban speaks volumes about the earthquake on the global stage after the US' unilateral withdrawal from Afghanistan
 

Richard Santos

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It's the most pro-US elements of the UK which are feeling most betrayed.

The lesson is that the UK shouldn't follow the US into a global crisis, nor support the US in its interventions.

Best to leave the USA to fail (or succeed) by itself.

The British political establishment has a far inflated sense of importance as a *global* power.
Britain does not have any option whatsoever to not follow if the US really wants the british there.

Afghanistan going back to the nine century has very little impact on Britain. A few hundred British soldiers dying and a few billion pounds wasted because of American duplicity and the treasury has very little impact on Britain. America not backing Britain up behind the Scene in Britain’s relation with Europe, and elsewhere, means the end of Britain
 
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