China's strategy in Afghanistan.

Arnies

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ZeEa5KPul said:
Atheists are not the "worst of the worst" in Islam simply because the concept did not exist in the 7th century. Islam's enemies are the groups it struggled against and tried to coopt in its early history: the Jewish tribes in the Arabian Peninsula. Mohammad tried and failed to convert these tribes and the insults and setbacks he suffered at their hands became doctrinally enshrined in the religion and made them the eternal enemy of the faithful.

It's why one sees the unique salience of the "Palestinian issue" among Muslims today, even in the face of similar injustices being perpetrated against Muslims in other parts of the world. This is because the hated Jews occupy and hold Islamic holy land - the place where the Prophet was lifted up from Earth into Heaven for an audience with God. This is an intolerable doctrinal assault on the tenets of the religion and it's why the jihad is directed against Israel and the Crusader West. In contrast, who cares how many Rohingya villages the Tatmadaw put to the torch? How does that disturb Islam?

In contrast to this ideological hatred of Jews, Mohammad had barely anything to say about China. It's doubtful he even knew it existed. That indifference is inherited by his followers as all his teachings are.
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I agree Atheist are not ''the worst of the worst''

Muhammed actully forbid people from attacking China in the hadith and that is why China was spared from the expansionism era and I know alot of chinese think they could defend but the truth is they couldn't if the decision had gone in.. More than Half of Europe fell during these period and approx half of the known world during that era.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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Taiban said:
A good Chinese perspective to read on Afghanistan by Liu Zongyi: "What does the Taliban's coming to power mean to China?"


Liu Zongyi is Secretary-General, China and South Asian Studies Center, Shanghai Institute of International Studies




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Read this, it is quite neutral, but the top comment is quite interesting:

extremist groups cannot be relied upon to change once in power, as that is part of their political genetics. China needs a reliable political proxy in Afghanistan, economic proxies are not enough. Never forget the purge of pro-Chinese politicians in North Korea or the backstabbing of China by Vietnam.
 
MwRYum

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FairAndUnbiased said:
Read this, it is quite neutral, but the top comment is quite interesting:

extremist groups cannot be relied upon to change once in power, as that is part of their political genetics. China needs a reliable political proxy in Afghanistan, economic proxies are not enough. Never forget the purge of pro-Chinese politicians in North Korea or the backstabbing of China by Vietnam.
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The reliability (or the unreliability, in fact) is very apparent in the 2 decades that the US spent on Afghanistan. The worst case scenario for China is still a "manageable one" due to Afghanistan-China border is but a very narrow crossing that the local climate is, to put it mildly, hostile to humans, and pretty much the same can be said for quite a swathe of land that lies between the border and human settlement(s).
In other words, China simply keep the border shut, concentrate on regions where human traffic is possible.
 
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Anyone else feels that China's narrative of being concerned of terrorism spilling over its Afghanistan border is a smokescreen?

Now all the West's analysts are talking about how concerned China is. I am not buying it, the border area is mostly inaccessible and its not like it is a 1000+ km border that it has to protect.

From what I know it is just a couple dozens of km that China has to protect. Couple that with electronic surveillance (cameras, infrared) and it is impossible for anyone to cross the border without China knowing about it
 
BoraTas

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Overbom said:
Anyone else feels that China's narrative of being concerned of terrorism spilling over its Afghanistan border is a smokescreen?

Now all the West's analysts are talking about how concerned China is. I am not buying it, the border area is mostly inaccessible and its not like it is a 1000+ km border that it has to protect.

From what I know it is just a couple dozens of km that China has to protect. Couple that with electronic surveillance (cameras, infrared) and it is impossible for anyone to cross the border without China knowing about it
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Yes. It is an alternative reality. There are zero reasons for China to be concerned about Afghanistan. In fact, having chaos in Afghanistan is better than having an American puppet ruling it. There were no reasons for the puppet government to not to open training camps for ETIM and hide behind the US after doing that.
 
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The plot thickens, China appears to be supportive of taliban A-stan and the Taliban are keeping their side of the bargain, apparently, the taliban would have 'liberated' afghan intelligence documents which would have been incriminating for those responsible for the murders of those 9 Chinese engineers in Pakistan.
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Key quote:
Wang apparently alluded to the allegation made by Qureshi on August 12 mentioning Afghanistan and India. By now, the Taliban would have seized the records of the Afghan intelligence agencies. To be sure, this becomes an ‘X’ factor in regional politics
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What sort of blackmail can the MSS and PLA inflict on india for its role in that attack?
 
plawolf

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Overbom said:
Anyone else feels that China's narrative of being concerned of terrorism spilling over its Afghanistan border is a smokescreen?

Now all the West's analysts are talking about how concerned China is. I am not buying it, the border area is mostly inaccessible and its not like it is a 1000+ km border that it has to protect.

From what I know it is just a couple dozens of km that China has to protect. Couple that with electronic surveillance (cameras, infrared) and it is impossible for anyone to cross the border without China knowing about it
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When did China express serious actual concern? All I see are a bunch of westerners and Indians playing childishly transparent games trying to create tension and friction between China and the Taliban.

It’s no exaggeration to say China faces far less terrorism threat from the Taliban than it did from the US Afghan puppet regime that was also brown nosing India.

China can easily make deals with the Taliban on a mutually beneficial basis where China helps with reconstruction in exchange for mineral rights, transit access for BRI and security assurances from the Taliban both in terms of purging its own ranks of US fostered anti-Chinese forces, and also in liquidating any agents and foot soldiers the west and India might send into Afghanistan to attack BRI.

The Taliban may lack support in the cities, but it owns the countryside, which is how they managed to cling on all these years and now win ultimately. Suspicious foreigners appearing near BRI projects can be rounded up quick as you please.
 
MwRYum

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BoraTas said:
Yes. It is an alternative reality. There are zero reasons for China to be concerned about Afghanistan. In fact, having chaos in Afghanistan is better than having an American puppet ruling it. There were no reasons for the puppet government to not to open training camps for ETIM and hide behind the US after doing that.
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There's nothing wrong for China to be concerned, but by this point things has become somewhat "more manageable" as the infiltration of Wahhabism has been largely curtained, and that massive scale of de-radicalization operations (including those vocation schools) and uplifting/provety abbreviation projects has make stability more welcomed than "revolution" as that'd be what those "outside parties" wanted...not even sniping Xinjiang cotton worked (had Xinjiang be a separate entity, such ploy would've collapsed the local economy) because China's market consume so much cotton that they've to import in order to supplement domestic supply (which Xinjiang's come into play).
So long as China can secure its side of the border, it's but a matter of keep the fence up; but if Afghanistan is secured somehow, that opens new opportunity.
plawolf said:
When did China express serious actual concern? All I see are a bunch of westerners and Indians playing childishly transparent games trying to create tension and friction between China and the Taliban.
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Westerners are trolls and Indians...let's just say their salty behavior is annoying, to put it mildly.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Read this, it is quite neutral, but the top comment is quite interesting:

extremist groups cannot be relied upon to change once in power, as that is part of their political genetics. China needs a reliable political proxy in Afghanistan, economic proxies are not enough. Never forget the purge of pro-Chinese politicians in North Korea or the backstabbing of China by Vietnam.
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China doesn't need any proxies.

China has economic partners, not proxies. China doesn't interfere in the sovereign matters of other countries, therefore China does not need political proxies.

Despite what the commenter says about NK and Vietnam, they are both still important partners of China.
 
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